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pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:37 am Then I will counter with:

There were two missed holds on our DLine on a play Allen escaped out of ( and threw away ) on 2nd and goal with 6:24 left - should have been 2nd and goal from the 16 ( or, without the hold, a sack ). The refs missed a false start on the goal line that would have put the Bills 3rd and 7. The refs called a false start on the Chiefs when it was Oliver who went offsides. The refs missed a facemask on Hollywood that would have put the Chiefs in FG range.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:24 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 6:37 am Then I will counter with:

There were two missed holds on our DLine on a play Allen escaped out of ( and threw away ) on 2nd and goal with 6:24 left - should have been 2nd and goal from the 16 ( or, without the hold, a sack ). The refs missed a false start on the goal line that would have put the Bills 3rd and 7. The refs called a false start on the Chiefs when it was Oliver who went offsides. The refs missed a facemask on Hollywood that would have put the Chiefs in FG range.

Also on that same play, I don't think (I didn't watch on TV, so maybe I'm way off) there was any mathematical way that the ball made it back to the line of scrimmage, which would have made it grounding.

Grounding calls are missed all of the time.

But if we are gonna entertain zapruder shit on each and every call that doesn't go against the Chiefs, then I'll zapruder right back on each and every one that doesn't go against the opponent.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:47 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:40 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 7:37 am allen had the ball, down 3 with 3 minutes to go…chance for a legendary drive

nope

Didn't even cross the 50 yard line.

Meanwhile, since the start of the 2019 postseason, the Chiefs have had 11 playoff drives in the 4th quarter or OT when they were down by a score.

7 TDs
4 game-tying FGs

They scored on all 11. If it felt inevitable, it's because it was.

more fun facts:

Spags is the only D-coordinator with 4 SB rings

allen has the most playoff wins of any qb without a SB appearance

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:12 am I thought the rule was where it lands rather than where it goes out.
Like, I can't just be out of the pocket and then rocket it directly to the side.
But if I throw the ball deep but, in its trajectory, it crosses the out of boundary line before the line of scrimmage, but ultimately lands past the line -- that's not grounding right ?

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:21 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:12 am I thought the rule was where it lands rather than where it goes out.
Like, I can't just be out of the pocket and then rocket it directly to the side.
But if I throw the ball deep but, in its trajectory, it crosses the out of boundary line before the line of scrimmage, but ultimately lands past the line -- that's not grounding right ?

I think you are correct:

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nf ... grounding/

"Item 1. Passer or Ball Outside Tackle Position. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, who is outside, or has been outside, the tackle position, throws a forward pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including when the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or endline). If the ball crosses the line of scrimmage (extended) beyond the sideline, there is no intentional grounding. If a loose ball leaves the area bordered by the tackles, this area no longer exists; if the ball is recovered, all intentional grounding rules apply as if the passer is outside this area."

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:57 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:21 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:12 am I thought the rule was where it lands rather than where it goes out.
Like, I can't just be out of the pocket and then rocket it directly to the side.
But if I throw the ball deep but, in its trajectory, it crosses the out of boundary line before the line of scrimmage, but ultimately lands past the line -- that's not grounding right ?

I think you are correct:

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nf ... grounding/

"Item 1. Passer or Ball Outside Tackle Position. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, who is outside, or has been outside, the tackle position, throws a forward pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including when the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or endline). If the ball crosses the line of scrimmage (extended) beyond the sideline, there is no intentional grounding. If a loose ball leaves the area bordered by the tackles, this area no longer exists; if the ball is recovered, all intentional grounding rules apply as if the passer is outside this area."

I'm wrong then!

That seems like a dumb aspect of the rule, but that's the rule I guess.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:08 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:57 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:21 am

I think you are correct:

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nf ... grounding/

"Item 1. Passer or Ball Outside Tackle Position. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, who is outside, or has been outside, the tackle position, throws a forward pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including when the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or endline). If the ball crosses the line of scrimmage (extended) beyond the sideline, there is no intentional grounding. If a loose ball leaves the area bordered by the tackles, this area no longer exists; if the ball is recovered, all intentional grounding rules apply as if the passer is outside this area."

I'm wrong then!

That seems like a dumb aspect of the rule, but that's the rule I guess.

It feels like it would be nearly impossible to determine where a pass like that crossed the sideline. Maybe after they change all the rules to put a bunch of GPS receivers in the football due to the Allen 4th down spot.

Amazing how each Chiefs win seems to spark discussion of changes to the rules.

DrPepper wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:53 am I have not had the chance the read the entire game thread, but I am looking forward to doing that this evening when I have more time.
Should you be interested in a few of my takeaways from the game, here they are:
I thought the game was going to be a blowout after each team's first drive. I must be a bad Bill's fan, because there we were with two and half minutes left in the fourth quarter, with the ball, and times out, and the chance to win it.
The early loss of Benford hurt us.
I knew having Taylor Rapp out of the game would hurt us. Somebody here said before the game that Rapp is not very good. That is true. So, you can assume that his replacement (rookie Bishop, who did not play a defensive snack in the prior game) is even worse.
Having good players healthy is what great teams do. I would like to say that the Bills earning the bye would have helped, but that is not true in this case since the injuries were in the last two games (where the 1st seeded team also plays). So, great teams have great players or the scheme to deal with it (The bills didn't have enough of that last night).
I was repeatedly amazed to hear the Bills fans in the stands over the TV broadcast. I did not think that possible in Arrowhead.
It was very frustrating thinking that my offensive coordinator did not think that the Chief's defensive coordinator would not come up with something to counter a tush push. And test that, what.. like 3-4 times?
I feel badly for Bills fans who do not follow another sport or team like me. Being a Kansas basketball fan has taught me to enjoy the journey. Only one decent team ends the season with a win!!
Credit to the Chiefs organization for the win last night.
Someday, the Buffalo Bills will win a Super Bowl, and it will be incredibly meaningful for Buffalo (who has never won a Super Bowl or World Series or MLs cups or Stanley Cup).