Kansas Crimson

Agree.
He’s a good player but yea, maybe not your ideal star.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 3:12 pm Agree.
He’s a good player but yea, maybe not your ideal star.

I think they found out this year that Booker isn't a PG. And that Durant and Booker both need the ball in their hand to be most effective. Unfortunately there is only 1 ball in basketball. I do think Booker and Durant can work, because Booker is good catch and shoot wise. But they need a PG. Beal seems like a net neutral to me team ability wise, and a huge negative team building wise because of his cost. I do like Nurkic.

And Beal isn't exactly an asset teams will want to trade for. I think they have handcuffed themselves.

LeBron to Philly just makes the most sense. Get DeRozan too.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 3:34 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 3:12 pm Agree.
He’s a good player but yea, maybe not your ideal star.

I think they found out this year that Booker isn't a PG. And that Durant and Booker both need the ball in their hand to be most effective. Unfortunately there is only 1 ball in basketball. I do think Booker and Durant can work, because Booker is good catch and shoot wise. But they need a PG. Beal seems like a net neutral to me team ability wise, and a huge negative team building wise because of his cost. I do like Nurkic.

And Beal isn't exactly an asset teams will want to trade for. I think they have handcuffed themselves.

Beal is severely overpaid for a relatively average starting 2 guard

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 4:08 pm

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 3:34 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 3:12 pm Agree.
He’s a good player but yea, maybe not your ideal star.

I think they found out this year that Booker isn't a PG. And that Durant and Booker both need the ball in their hand to be most effective. Unfortunately there is only 1 ball in basketball. I do think Booker and Durant can work, because Booker is good catch and shoot wise. But they need a PG. Beal seems like a net neutral to me team ability wise, and a huge negative team building wise because of his cost. I do like Nurkic.

And Beal isn't exactly an asset teams will want to trade for. I think they have handcuffed themselves.

Beal is severely overpaid for a relatively average starting 2 guard

"Relatively average" today. Was NOT "relatively average" when he signed the contract. Dude was one of the best (top 25) players in the league.

Yes Beal was probably a top 25 player who signed a top 5 contract, so even at the time was probably overpaid. But that's how the contract system works in the NBA. Washington drafted him, and can offer him big money to retain him. And if you draft a player and want to keep him long term, you almost have to offer them the superman, or they feel slighted. Beal has always been a good player and Washington has never been very good. They made the playoffs a couple times but never were a realistic threat, but Beal's numbers have always been good

But none of that has anything to do with the Suns. As far as the Suns are concerned, Beal is a severely overpaid player and that was a terribly stupid trade on their part. A gamble that didn't work, and they are stuck

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LOL

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 3:37 pm LeBron to Philly just makes the most sense.

Please…. No

If I have to guess, LeBron is staying in LA.
If LeBron stays in LA and Bronny doesn't go to the Lakers (or Clippers), I will laugh when whatever team Bronny is on and whatever team LeBron is on - have to figure out how to sub them in and out so they can play against each other.

My guess would be he finishes his career in LA but I don’t think that’s his best shot to nab one more title.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:30 am My guess would be he finishes his career in LA but I don’t think that’s his best shot to nab one more title.

Philly might be his best chance.

Lakers, it's possible. He and AD are both still elite. Depends on D-Lo. If he opts out and leaves, maybe they can get enough pieces.



I'm not sure his inclination is to title chase by switching locations at this stage in his career. I think he's very comfortable in LA. I think the only reason the Lakers haven't hired JJ as their coach is because JJ is smart enough to wait to see how the draft plays out to make sure LeBron isn't going to follow Bronny.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:30 am My guess would be he finishes his career in LA but I don’t think that’s his best shot to nab one more title.

Whether titles are what's important to him from a personal standpoint is certainly a question that is personal to Bron.

But from a legacy standpoint, do they really matter?

He's got four now. He's almost certainly not getting to six (to tie Michael), let alone seven.

But even if he does...to get to six (let alone seven) with at least three, or possibly as many as five (or even six) different teams...is there ANYONE out there who would change their vote from Michael to Bron, on the basis of getting to six (or even seven)?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 9:47 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:30 am My guess would be he finishes his career in LA but I don’t think that’s his best shot to nab one more title.

Whether titles are what's important to him from a personal standpoint is certainly a question that is personal to Bron.

But from a legacy standpoint, do they really matter?

He's got four now. He's almost certainly not getting to six (to tie Michael), let alone seven.

But even if he does...to get to six (let alone seven) with at least three, or possibly as many as five (or even six) different teams...is there ANYONE out there who would change their vote from Michael to Bron, on the basis of getting to six (or even seven)?

Yes.
He is typing right now currently.
Or was and now you're reading what he typed when he typed it.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:31 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 9:47 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:30 am My guess would be he finishes his career in LA but I don’t think that’s his best shot to nab one more title.

Whether titles are what's important to him from a personal standpoint is certainly a question that is personal to Bron.

But from a legacy standpoint, do they really matter?

He's got four now. He's almost certainly not getting to six (to tie Michael), let alone seven.

But even if he does...to get to six (let alone seven) with at least three, or possibly as many as five (or even six) different teams...is there ANYONE out there who would change their vote from Michael to Bron, on the basis of getting to six (or even seven)?

Yes.
He is typing right now currently.
Or was and now you're reading what he typed when he typed it.

Guess that means I know that guy's answer to the "Brady or Belichick" question.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:41 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:31 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 9:47 am

Whether titles are what's important to him from a personal standpoint is certainly a question that is personal to Bron.

But from a legacy standpoint, do they really matter?

He's got four now. He's almost certainly not getting to six (to tie Michael), let alone seven.

But even if he does...to get to six (let alone seven) with at least three, or possibly as many as five (or even six) different teams...is there ANYONE out there who would change their vote from Michael to Bron, on the basis of getting to six (or even seven)?

Yes.
He is typing right now currently.
Or was and now you're reading what he typed when he typed it.

Guess that means I know that guy's answer to the "Brady or Belichick" question.

Both are GOATs?
Bill couldn't work with Mac Jones who actually just kinda sucked and then was too obsessive with control.
But yea, at this point, it's Brady.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 9:47 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 7:30 am My guess would be he finishes his career in LA but I don’t think that’s his best shot to nab one more title.

Whether titles are what's important to him from a personal standpoint is certainly a question that is personal to Bron.

But from a legacy standpoint, do they really matter?

He's got four now. He's almost certainly not getting to six (to tie Michael), let alone seven.

But even if he does...to get to six (let alone seven) with at least three, or possibly as many as five (or even six) different teams...is there ANYONE out there who would change their vote from Michael to Bron, on the basis of getting to six (or even seven)?

MJ stans would just say "yeah but MJ never lost in the Finals", which is something that LeBron cannot do anything about at this point. No one is changing their vote from MJ to LeBron unless LeBron played 6 more years, got to 8+ titles and had unreachable stat totals.

Again, I know at least one person would change their vote to LeBron.

At a certain point, the longevity is an asset to his legacy.

Not the "well of course he has the most points ever he has played for like 25 years" dismissive argument that some use now.

For the MJ people, he isn't going to change the vast majority of their minds. No matter what. And he probably never was regardless of how his career went.

For some people, LeBron has already surpassed MJ.

I am in the camp of "MJ is the greatest player of all time, but LeBron has had the greatest career of all time".

I agree with the above statement but if we are getting down to "hey who do you truly believe was GOAT?" and JUST that question with just two possible answers - MJ or LeBron - then, for me, LeBron needs at least one more NBA title where he has a significant impact on the results.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 1:18 pm I agree with the above statement but if we are getting down to "hey who do you truly believe was GOAT?" and JUST that question with just two possible answers - MJ or LeBron - then, for me, LeBron needs at least one more NBA title where he has a significant impact on the results.

That's fair. Another title would be big. For me, if he goes another 3-4 years as clearly a top 10-15 player in the league that would be big too.