Kansas Crimson

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:59 pm Would you give up your 2nd 4th round pick ( 135 ) for Jalen Reagor?
Another dangerous weapon with elite speed, former 1st round pick, coming up on 3rd year in the league.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:01 am Yea.
I wouldn’t give up a 2nd for him.
But either of our 4ths, I would.

I don’t think anyone will give the Eagles anything better than a low 3rd for what he’s shown…but for a fourth I’d roll the die and blame some of it on Hurts.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:22 am
I know no one is perfect but if you trade for him, then you get this crap.....

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:22 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:22 am
I know no one is perfect but if you trade for him, then you get this crap.....

A big reason why you'd be able to get the 20th pick, 2 years later, for the 135th.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:44 am The measuring stick for this was a bit crude/noisy (career receiving yards), but, over the last 33 drafts...

...the first WR off the board was the best in his class 18% of the time; and
...>50% of the time, the best guy in the class was not in the first five WR picks in his class.

In other words...you'd better be damn sure if you move up to draft a WR.

Sparko wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:18 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:44 am The measuring stick for this was a bit crude/noisy (career receiving yards), but, over the last 33 drafts...

...the first WR off the board was the best in his class 18% of the time; and
...>50% of the time, the best guy in the class was not in the first five WR picks in his class.

In other words...you'd better be damn sure if you move up to draft a WR.

I was thinking about the math myself wondering what the risk was. This sounds right. After Bolton and Humphreys last year--I am a believer in letting the scouts get an affordable four-year player.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:23 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:18 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:44 am The measuring stick for this was a bit crude/noisy (career receiving yards), but, over the last 33 drafts...

...the first WR off the board was the best in his class 18% of the time; and
...>50% of the time, the best guy in the class was not in the first five WR picks in his class.

In other words...you'd better be damn sure if you move up to draft a WR.

I was thinking about the math myself wondering what the risk was. This sounds right. After Bolton and Humphreys last year--I am a believer in letting the scouts get an affordable four-year player.

I would be perfectly content if the only trading the Chiefs do is to get out of picks this year in exchange for better picks next year. Will someone give us a 3rd next year for a 4th and two 7ths this year? For example.

If the Chiefs want to do the "the window's always open" thing, then having as many Boltons and Humphreys and Gays and Fentons and Sneeds and so on...is the only way. And you solve that problem with numbers.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:29 pm We want one of the top 3 quarterbacks to drop to the bottom of the first so we can listen to offers.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:53 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:29 pm We want one of the top 3 quarterbacks to drop to the bottom of the first so we can listen to offers.

Absolutely. A team is going to want to take a QB in the first because of the 5th year option. The thing is, what would be enough to trade back? Would you give up the 30th pick to the Falcons for pick 43 in the 2nd round and pick 74 in the 3rd round? I don't know. It will be an interesting thing to watch.

I just don't think the Chiefs are using all 12 picks. I think they package 30 and 62 (and maybe 135 in 4th round) to the late teens to go get an Edge or a WR.

Cascadia wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:04 pm I hope the Chiefs aren’t dumb enough to trade up for a WR.

For a DE/Edge, yes.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:57 pm

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:53 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:29 pm We want one of the top 3 quarterbacks to drop to the bottom of the first so we can listen to offers.

Absolutely. A team is going to want to take a QB in the first because of the 5th year option. The thing is, what would be enough to trade back? Would you give up the 30th pick to the Falcons for pick 43 in the 2nd round and pick 74 in the 3rd round? I don't know. It will be an interesting thing to watch.

I just don't think the Chiefs are using all 12 picks. I think they package 30 and 62 (and maybe 135 in 4th round) to the late teens to go get an Edge or a WR.

I would much rather trade 30 for seconds this year and next year.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:53 pm
Absolutely. A team is going to want to take a QB in the first because of the 5th year option. The thing is, what would be enough to trade back? Would you give up the 30th pick to the Falcons for pick 43 in the 2nd round and pick 74 in the 3rd round?