Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:28 pm
Fixed
It occurred to me to add a caveat to that effect, but I was afraid I might offend, so I didn't.
hey look at the bright side....19k less nazis!.....or....something.KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:36 pm perhaps as many as 19K Ukrainian children have been deported by russia, to russia
many are being adopted by russian families
so fucked
obligatory Russian propaganda alert!Ellsberg describes himself as a Harvard-educated U.S. Marine who in the beginning completely bought into the Cold War struggle against communism, including the Domino Theory. When he went to work for the Defense Department and Rand Corp., he says, “I very much accepted the idea that we were a force for democracy in the Third World, as in Korea, and the former colonial world, and for self-determination, for sovereignty, for peace. We were the good guys.” Initially, he wanted to divulge the Pentagon Papers to Congress, but few people in Congress seemed interested, he says. Ellsberg only reluctantly agreed to go to the media when he began “hearing from contacts in the Nixon administration that Nixon was planning to escalate the war,” says Robert Ellsberg, who as a 13-year-old helped his father secretly copy the Papers.
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Based on his experience in the covert world, Ellsberg sees a direct line between the deceptions and lies that led to the Vietnam War — and 58,000 American deaths — and the deceptions and lies that justified the Iraq war. This high-level deceit, Ellsberg says, extends to America’s current drone war policy around the world, in which the government has allegedly covered up the number of civilian deaths it causes.
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(mainstream media reporting as "conspiracy" the allegation that mainstream media is complicit in gummint secrets lulz)
At the same time, Horton believes that Ellsberg, like other whistleblowers, occasionally sees conspiracy and government perfidy when the evidence is scant. During the course of our hour- and-20-minute interview, Ellsberg contended America still runs a “covert empire” around the world, embodied in the U.S. domination of NATO. He believes Washington deliberately provoked Vladimir Putin into invading Ukraine by pushing its seat of power eastward toward Russia’s borders; that the mainstream media is “complicit” in allowing the government to keep secrets it has no right to withhold; and that any notion Americans are ever the “good guys” abroad “has always been false.”
lots of interesting shit in that article, but for the sake of tldr, for now just consider that point about dems and pubs...is one party really any less hawkish? not really.
...Ellsberg doesn’t believe it. “Democrats in this area are as shameless as Republicans,” he says. “Our elections in the realm of foreign policy and defense policy and arms sales, I have come to understand, are essentially between people vying to be manager of the empire.”
For those of us who were against the war, he was a hero and an inspiration.ousdahl wrote:question to those old and/or well-read enough to remember: what was the reception among the folks at the mall at the time he leaked the Pentagon Papers?
Good. Spend their own damn money.ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:54 pm https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/wir ... -100189129
Macron urges Europe to develop its own air defense systems and not rely on the US
While I feel the same way, Lockheed Martin might not.twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:32 pmGood. Spend their own damn money.ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:54 pm https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/wir ... -100189129
Macron urges Europe to develop its own air defense systems and not rely on the US
this makes him sound less like the boogeyman hellbent on world domination, and more like a boogeyman who just wants to be left alone, without militants to the west pushing their footprint ever closer to his own doorstep.Putin said Moscow could respond to alleged Ukrainian incursions and shelling of Russia’s border regions by carving out what he described as a “sanitary zone” to prevent Kyiv from launching such attacks.
The zone would extend “to a depth that would prevent it from striking our territory,” he added.
KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:03 am lol…you just can’t help yourself, can you?
we’ve been over this before
The Russian leader said ending the hostilities in Ukraine depends on the United States. He argued that the fighting would end immediately if the U.S. and NATO stop providing Ukraine with weapons.
“If they want to see a negotiated solution to the conflict, it’s enough for them to stop weapons supplies,” he said.
Putin said Russian and Ukrainian negotiators drafted a peace agreement in March 2022, but Kyiv spiked the deal under Western pressure. He said Russia is still open to resuming talks.