Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:54 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:41 am Any plan that includes "seizing guns" is guaranteed to lead to a civil war. So no, not valid

I don't support broad-based seizure plans, for a lot of reasons. Some legal, some practical.

That said: people like you need to grow the fuck up, and realize that the overheated rhetoric ("civil war", and so on) is very much a you problem.

Not every restriction on gun ownership means King George III, or Barack Obama, is coming for your homestead.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:04 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:54 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:41 am Any plan that includes "seizing guns" is guaranteed to lead to a civil war. So no, not valid

I don't support broad-based seizure plans, for a lot of reasons. Some legal, some practical.

That said: people like you need to grow the fuck up, and realize that the overheated rhetoric ("civil war", and so on) is very much a you problem.

Not every restriction on gun ownership means King George III, or Barack Obama, is coming for your homestead.

I think whether or not you consider a reality or rhetoric may depend on where you've spent your time.

In the suburbs of KC, perhaps sounds like over dramatic blah blah statements.

In other places, perhaps not.

There are people here that, 100% without a doubt, would hunker down and draw arms if there was a plan drawn up to require the forfeiture of their already owned weapons.

That might sound silly, they can't win,....but its not unrealistic or rhetoric. It is 100% fact that a portion *larger than you may want to admit) of the population would indeed refuse to give them up.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:58 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:41 am inconvenient fact: only pussies think they need an automatic weapon, and that owning one is protected by the constitution

Im not concerned about not owning automatic ish weapons...never have, never will.

If it stopped there I'd be good with it.

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:07 am I dont want a civil war. Thats why I'm anti any politician talking about seizing any guns. Cause I know what that will lead to

We were close to a civil war last election

This country is so damn divided, we don't need any politicians doing anything drastic

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:28 am I see the pro-gun crowd is out making their usual talking points.

The best thing they could do is stop fucking killing innocent people.

No one would care what type of gun you had, how many you had, how large the capacity was, if they weren't frequently being used to kill innocent people, often large numbers of them.

If seeing a half dozen people murdered for no reason makes you angry at people who don't like guns rather than the senseless murders, you have some fucked up priorities.

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:38 am This isn't about keeping people safe. This about controlling people. A population that can't defend itself as well is a lot easier to control. Dont let their fears tactics trick you

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:56 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:28 am I see the pro-gun crowd is out making their usual talking points.

The best thing they could do is stop fucking killing innocent people.

No one would care what type of gun you had, how many you had, how large the capacity was, if they weren't frequently being used to kill innocent people, often large numbers of them.

If seeing a half dozen people murdered for no reason makes you angry at people who don't like guns rather than the senseless murders, you have some fucked up priorities.

I see PhD is making his usual "everybody else is a fucking idiot" talking point (and I like PhD, a lot, but goodness that wears thin at times).

99.9999% of gun owners don't do any of things youre talking about. What more can responsible owners do?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:05 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:07 am I dont want a civil war. Thats why I'm anti any politician talking about seizing any guns. Cause I know what that will lead to

We were close to a civil war last election

This country is so damn divided, we don't need any politicians doing anything drastic

We were not close to a civil war last election. I would also guess that the lawyers for your 1/6 heroes would appreciate you stopping referring to them as warmongers. It's not helpful to their parole chances.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:43 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:38 am This isn't about keeping people safe. This about controlling people.

No it's not.
Over 70% of America wants stricter gun control.

Additionally:

The 2nd Ammendment was intended for colonies/commonwealths/states that didn't have a standing army yet as a means to protect themselves. It was a new nation. Washington and the Federalists changed that in the mid 1790s when the Army was created to fight the Native Americans. If the States want to create militias, where people volunteer and train and have access to those weapons, much like joining the military but directly just for your state and not Federally bound in anyway, because they think/feel the State could rise against a tyrannical government, i'm in support of those members having access to the weaponry the National Armed Forces have ( though they would never get even close to the capabilities with pin point distance missiles, high speed jets, drones etc ).

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:56 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:28 am I see the pro-gun crowd is out making their usual talking points.

The best thing they could do is stop fucking killing innocent people.

No one would care what type of gun you had, how many you had, how large the capacity was, if they weren't frequently being used to kill innocent people, often large numbers of them.

If seeing a half dozen people murdered for no reason makes you angry at people who don't like guns rather than the senseless murders, you have some fucked up priorities.

I see PhD is making his usual "everybody else is a fucking idiot" talking point (and I like PhD, a lot, but goodness that wears thin at times).

99.9999% of gun owners don't do any of things youre talking about. What more can responsible owners do?

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:56 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:28 am I see the pro-gun crowd is out making their usual talking points.

The best thing they could do is stop fucking killing innocent people.

No one would care what type of gun you had, how many you had, how large the capacity was, if they weren't frequently being used to kill innocent people, often large numbers of them.

If seeing a half dozen people murdered for no reason makes you angry at people who don't like guns rather than the senseless murders, you have some fucked up priorities.

I see PhD is making his usual "everybody else is a fucking idiot" talking point (and I like PhD, a lot, but goodness that wears thin at times).

99.9999% of gun owners don't do any of things youre talking about. What more can responsible owners do?

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:41 am inconvenient fact: only pussies think they need an automatic weapon, and that owning one is protected by the constitution

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:11 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:05 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:07 am I dont want a civil war. Thats why I'm anti any politician talking about seizing any guns. Cause I know what that will lead to

We were close to a civil war last election

This country is so damn divided, we don't need any politicians doing anything drastic

We were not close to a civil war last election. I would also guess that the lawyers for your 1/6 heroes would appreciate you stopping referring to them as warmongers. It's not helpful to their parole chances.

When did I say anything about 1/6 or warmongers?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:16 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:11 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:05 am

We were not close to a civil war last election. I would also guess that the lawyers for your 1/6 heroes would appreciate you stopping referring to them as warmongers. It's not helpful to their parole chances.

When did I say anything about 1/6 or warmongers?

(You don't need to.)

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:06 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:28 am I see the pro-gun crowd is out making their usual talking points.

The best thing they could do is stop fucking killing innocent people.

No one would care what type of gun you had, how many you had, how large the capacity was, if they weren't frequently being used to kill innocent people, often large numbers of them.

If seeing a half dozen people murdered for no reason makes you angry at people who don't like guns rather than the senseless murders, you have some fucked up priorities.

The tree of liberty apparently MUST be watered with the blood of nine year olds.