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Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:32 pm
by Deleted User 89
that seems like just about the right number that could be justified, imo
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:33 pm
by Sparko
Pro-lifers believe what they are told to believe by men who preach the perfection of a wedge issue. A wedge issue’s life begins when polling data shows it is strong enough to get people to vote against their own interests. Some wedge issues are old enough to retire now-like pro-life hypocrisy. But it is a boomer and keeps working to spite the next generation.
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:14 pm
by twocoach
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:32 pm
that seems like just about the right number that could be justified, imo
Makes we wonder what percentage of that 1% is the “ripped from their mother’s womb” shtick that Trump and the GOP fear mongers rail on about. Seems like yet another case of the GOP creating a non-existent problem and then freaking out about it.
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:26 pm
by Deleted User 89
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:14 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:32 pm
that seems like just about the right number that could be justified, imo
Makes we wonder what percentage of that 1% is the “ripped from their mother’s womb” shtick that Trump and the GOP fear mongers rail on about. Seems like yet another case of the GOP creating a non-existent problem and then freaking out about it.
i think the problem isn’t nearly as big as they make it out to be for sure...but, as i said before, i definitely am against abortion being used as a form of birth control, and so see a need for it to be regulated on some level
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:30 pm
by TDub
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:14 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:32 pm
that seems like just about the right number that could be justified, imo
Makes we wonder what percentage of that 1% is the “ripped from their mother’s womb” shtick that Trump and the GOP fear mongers rail on about. Seems like yet another case of the GOP
creating a non-existent problem and then freaking out about it.
You mean like freaking out about people being pro life for the sake of a future cheap labor pool to exploit?
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:33 pm
by Deleted User 89
do you really think he “freaked out” about it?
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:56 pm
by TDub
Considering he demanded to be taken literally....yes? Lobster gets absolutely slayed for his bs, off the wall conspiracies. Why does Qusdahl get a free pass.
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:58 pm
by Deleted User 89
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:56 pm
Considering he demanded to be taken literally....yes? Lobster gets absolutely slayed for his bs, off the wall conspiracies. Why does Qusdahl get a free pass.
i’m not giving him a free pass
i just didn’t read this thread and come away with the feeling that he freaked out
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:01 pm
by TDub
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:58 pm
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:56 pm
Considering he demanded to be taken literally....yes? Lobster gets absolutely slayed for his bs, off the wall conspiracies. Why does Qusdahl get a free pass.
i’m not giving him a free pass
i just didn’t read this thread and come away with the feeling that he freaked out
He repeatedly asked others position when they questioned the legitimacy of his post, repeated his statement, demanded to be taken literally and put the onus on everyone else to defend their opinions and discuss the "sincerity" of a branch of his initial statement. It was embarrassing, honestly.
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:05 pm
by Deleted User 89
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:01 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:58 pm
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:56 pm
Considering he demanded to be taken literally....yes? Lobster gets absolutely slayed for his bs, off the wall conspiracies. Why does Qusdahl get a free pass.
i’m not giving him a free pass
i just didn’t read this thread and come away with the feeling that he freaked out
He repeatedly asked others position when they questioned the legitimacy of his post, repeated his statement, demanded to be taken literally and put the onus on everyone else to defend their opinions and discuss the "sincerity" of a branch of his initial statement. It was embarrassing, honestly.
well when you put it that way...
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:07 pm
by TDub
Maybe i should clarify further.....for Qus.
When someone posts nonsense....and others follow that up with memes and gifs and other gag posts.....and then the original poster gets upset that no one wants to further to discussion with sincere honest dialogue (which, to PhDs credit he did follow up with a lengthy and honest response)...it is laughable.
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:34 pm
by ousdahl
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:02 pm
You realize that a lot of pro lifers are, themselves, part of the cheap labor pool?
Perhaps that’s part of it - whether certain folks have more say in when or whether to have kids, vs. less say, and how that affects education, career opportunities etc.
Regarding whether this is by design - well of course the powers that be can’t come out and just say it’s about, or even has the effect of, maintaining a supply of cheap labor. But that doesn’t necessarily mean the effect isn’t there.
Also realize:
- the measures that allow folks to decide when or whether to have kids are considerably easier to access for those on one particular end of the economic bell curve
- how quickly “pro-life” can become one of those “do as I say not as I do” kinda things
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:50 pm
by ousdahl
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:07 pm
Maybe i should clarify further.....for Qus.
When someone posts nonsense....and others follow that up with memes and gifs and other gag posts.....and then the original poster gets upset that no one wants to further to discussion with sincere honest dialogue (which, to PhDs credit he did follow up with a lengthy and honest response)...it is laughable.
I don’t mean to post nonsense.
If I may suggest it as respectfully as I can, try to approach discussions in a less knee jerk way. No need to get so worked up.
And come on. Id posit it’s hyperbole except I think you’re for real, so I’ll just add - if you really can’t tell any difference between me and lobster, that’s on you.
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:35 pm
by TDub
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:34 pm
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:02 pm
You realize that a lot of pro lifers are, themselves, part of the cheap labor pool?
Perhaps that’s part of it - whether certain folks have more say in when or whether to have kids, vs. less say, and how that affects education, career opportunities etc.
Regarding whether this is by design - well of course the powers that be can’t come out and just say it’s about, or even has the effect of, maintaining a supply of cheap labor. But that doesn’t necessarily mean the effect isn’t there.
Also realize:
- the measures that allow folks to decide when or whether to have kids are considerably easier to access for those on one particular end of the economic bell curve
- how quickly “pro-life” can become one of those “do as I say not as I do” kinda things
This is some real Qanon conspiracy shit. I will not and cannot sincerely discuss any further as long as you continue to put forth this as a legitimate stance that you mean to be taken seriously. #Qusdahl2024
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:38 pm
by TDub
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:50 pm
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:07 pm
Maybe i should clarify further.....for Qus.
When someone posts nonsense....and others follow that up with memes and gifs and other gag posts.....and then the original poster gets upset that no one wants to further to discussion with sincere honest dialogue (which, to PhDs credit he did follow up with a lengthy and honest response)...it is laughable.
I don’t mean to post nonsense.
If I may suggest it as respectfully as I can, try to approach discussions in a less knee jerk way. No need to get so worked up.
And come on. Id posit it’s hyperbole except I think you’re for real, so I’ll just add - if you really can’t tell any difference between me and lobster, that’s on you.
I think you lost yourself at solstice. Go back and find you.
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:51 pm
by ousdahl
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:35 pm
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:34 pm
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:02 pm
You realize that a lot of pro lifers are, themselves, part of the cheap labor pool?
Perhaps that’s part of it - whether certain folks have more say in when or whether to have kids, vs. less say, and how that affects education, career opportunities etc.
Regarding whether this is by design - well of course the powers that be can’t come out and just say it’s about, or even has the effect of, maintaining a supply of cheap labor. But that doesn’t necessarily mean the effect isn’t there.
Also realize:
- the measures that allow folks to decide when or whether to have kids are considerably easier to access for those on one particular end of the economic bell curve
- how quickly “pro-life” can become one of those “do as I say not as I do” kinda things
This is some real Qanon conspiracy shit. I will not and cannot sincerely discuss any further as long as you continue to put forth this as a legitimate stance that you mean to be taken seriously. #Qusdahl2024
seriously, that is your idea of Qanon conspiracy shit? that the powers that be like their labor cheap?
remind me again why you don't work in Idaho?
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:08 pm
by TDub
Jesus Christ. The conspiracy is that there is a mysterious "powers that be" (conspiracy 1....right out of the trump playbook) that have ultimate control over any of this and that they manipulate (and have for 2k years) the construct of their followers and followers beliefs in such a way so as to make them believe that life of the unborn is important solely so that they can use the unborn as a future cheap labor source (conspiracy 2).
Im done. Have fun.
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:00 am
by jhawks99
Hey Ousie, it's time to admit you're drunk and sit down.
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:45 am
by Sparko
What makes this not a conspiracy theory is that nothing is done to help those having forced births escape poverty. It is a wedge issue that widens the economic gulf. Demonstrably over time. We could value life and people by allowing them to live in dignity and fully educating them. Or we can sanctify zygotes and turn on conveyor belts. And say nasty things about Ousdahl for pointing out the bloody obvious.
Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:52 am
by Cascadia
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:40 pm
Qusdahl.
For the vast majority of people who are pro-life/anti-abortion, it's very simple. They believe life begins at the moment of fertilization and from that moment on, it's a human being, whether it's a 24 week old fetus, a 24 month old baby, or a 24 year old adult, there's no difference, they are all humans. Ending the life of a fetus, is therefore akin to murder. So they're opposed to it.
When you come to the conclusion that abortion is murder, then nothing really trumps it. Economic issues, genetic issues, timing, etc. are not good reasons, just like they aren't good reasons to end a born human's life.
I think it's actually the simplicity and sincerity of that stance that has you grasping at other explanations. It's much easier to poke a hole in an anti-abortion argument on the grounds of controlling women, or financial reasons than it is to try to argue around ending a human life. You WANT the reason people are pro-life to be something else, because you WANT it to be easier to argue against.
Of course there are politicians who say they're pro-life when they aren't, of course there are nutjobs who are pro-life for weird reasons, but that's a small minority. There are probably others who say they're pro-life cause they don't want to piss off their spouse or look bad at church...but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about people who are ACTUALLY pro-life, and that's the reason, they think a fetus is a human with a soul and all the same rights as any other human...maybe moreso, because they can't defend themselves.
This is not my argument, this is what I think MOST pro-lifers think. If you have a problem with that stance you should take it up with them. Misrepresenting their stance on a message board about college sports is probably not the right platform for the answers you claim to be searching for.
This is well written, but there is no data to back this up.