Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter

[ousdahl]

Remember when lobster posted that photoshop that depicted Joe and Kamala as “Corn Pop and Trixie,” two hustlers loitering behind the QT?

In all fairness though, Joe’s Newport Cigs windbreaker was pretty fly

[Deleted User 89]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -election/

if you can’t win under the current rules, change ‘em

[kubowler99]

I know we joke about the current state of the QOP, but it really is somewhat terrifying what could happen in 2022 with the literally 100s of voter suppression laws being proposed and passed across dozens of red states. And I'm not very confident the current 6-3 make up of the supremes will overturn/block any dystopian legislation.

[kubowler99]

And how do we move forward? One side is, you know, actually trying to present and pass legislation to help 80+% of the people in this country, and the other side believes the government is run by a cabal of baby-eating pedophiles. It's not like we're disagreeing on how to spend a 3% tariff increase.

I'd like to think we can come back from this, but I'm not sure if we haven't already fallen off the cliff. What happens if the Dems somehow overcome the voter suppression bills and maintains another slim majority in 2022? Just more of the same? What happens if Biden/Harris somehow win in 2024? Anyone think it will just be 'okay'. If there's another insurrection attempt, my guess it won't be as 'civil' as 1/6. And that terrifies me. These fuckers are bat shit crazy.

[Leawood]

Do you think every single civil rights specialist is ignoring these laws?

We are going to see long lines of single family cars with a voter complying with the law. If we see dogs like in Alabama, MAGA people will get buried.

I was in South Dakota last week. Those people are going to get an attitude adjustment when their Governor gets compare to Palin. South Dakota’s Governor is DUMB.

[kubowler99]

I know, Lea, but I'm just not confident when every case funnels up to the Supremes, that they're going to do the right thing.

[Deleted User 89]

Do you think every single civil rights specialist is ignoring these laws?

We are going to see long lines of single family cars with a voter complying with the law. If we see dogs like in Alabama, MAGA people will get buried.

I was in South Dakota last week. Those people are going to get an attitude adjustment when their Governor gets compare to Palin. South Dakota’s Governor is DUMB.

where in SoDak?

my family has a spot outside of Custer that i was staying at last week

[Deleted User 89]

i think the only thing that can really be done is to really get the vote out

the more people that vote, even if having to abide by ridiculous suppression laws to do so, the more likely dems are to retain and even gain legislative power

the SCOTUS may very well be fucked for the foreseeable future, but i haven’t seen enough yet to convince me that’s definitely the case

[Deleted User 863]

Some of the voting changes going on are really stupid and (imo) don't seem like they'll make 1 but of difference to anything (good or bad).

I don't think it's unreasonable to make a person show ID, we already do that for countless other things...and i can see how unofficial mobile voting stations could be problematic....but it can't be that hard (and shouldn't be something anyone opposes) to organize official mobile voting units (or whatever safe/trustworthy method is used) to help as many people vote as possible (even though i don't think many/most americans are knowledgeable enough about various topics to really be trusted to make informed voting decisions, myself included).

We definitely need to restore trust in our voting process for both sides. Republicans need to be shown (yes, again) that Dems aren't stealing elections. And Dems need to be shown that Republicans aren't trying to overturn legit elections (which would require the ones who aren't doing that to LOUDLY call out/oppose the few crazies who have done that).

What bothers me most about some of the reasonable Republican people is that they are quick to call out shit from the left (some reasonable, some not), but they're quiet as fuck about the nonsense on the right even if/when they think/know it's ridiculous.

[jfish26]

Voter ID seems sensible...to people who would get driver’s licenses or passports in the ordinary course of going about their lives.

The numbers bear out that those who do NOT get these documents in the ordinary course of going about their lives are strongly disproportionately poorer people of color.

In isolation, this one is easy enough to explain away. When it is just one such thread in a tapestry of similar ones, though...

[ousdahl]

I’d like to see the reasonable voters call out the crazies among their own party. Both sides!

And I may be wrong and may be biased, but, is one party already a lot better at this than the other?

While one party dismisses their fringe in favor of “centrists,” doesn’t the other seem a lot cooler with letting the fringe wag the dog?

[Deleted User 89]

and it’s been said before, but one “fringe” is represented by those who espouse the green new deal, while the other “fringe” is represented by the likes of mtg and q conspiracists

[ousdahl]

Yea.

We could be pushing things like, universal healthcare, and civil rights for all, and sustainable economies with living wages for workers.

But instead we’re pushing things like outlawing abortion, and selectively suppressing voters, and letting business do whatever they want, unless they want things like health precautions requiring masks for customers.

[twocoach]

And how do we move forward? One side is, you know, actually trying to present and pass legislation to help 80+% of the people in this country, and the other side believes the government is run by a cabal of baby-eating pedophiles. It's not like we're disagreeing on how to spend a 3% tariff increase.

I'd like to think we can come back from this, but I'm not sure if we haven't already fallen off the cliff. What happens if the Dems somehow overcome the voter suppression bills and maintains another slim majority in 2022? Just more of the same? What happens if Biden/Harris somehow win in 2024? Anyone think it will just be 'okay'. If there's another insurrection attempt, my guess it won't be as 'civil' as 1/6. And that terrifies me. These fuckers are bat shit crazy.

I honestly don't think there is a "moving forward". I think we simply fight back and forth like this for another 20 years or so until enough of the Republican base dies off that the party shrinks down to where they simply don't have the power to successfully cheat the system any more.

[twocoach]

Some of the voting changes going on are really stupid and (imo) don't seem like they'll make 1 but of difference to anything (good or bad).

I don't think it's unreasonable to make a person show ID, we already do that for countless other things...and i can see how unofficial mobile voting stations could be problematic....but it can't be that hard (and shouldn't be something anyone opposes) to organize official mobile voting units (or whatever safe/trustworthy method is used) to help as many people vote as possible (even though i don't think many/most americans are knowledgeable enough about various topics to really be trusted to make informed voting decisions, myself included).

We definitely need to restore trust in our voting process for both sides. Republicans need to be shown (yes, again) that Dems aren't stealing elections. And Dems need to be shown that Republicans aren't trying to overturn legit elections (which would require the ones who aren't doing that to LOUDLY call out/oppose the few crazies who have done that).

What bothers me most about some of the reasonable Republican people is that they are quick to call out shit from the left (some reasonable, some not), but they're quiet as fuck about the nonsense on the right even if/when they think/know it's ridiculous.

There will always be people who feels that their loss must be the result of cheating. Lose out on a basketball recruit? The team that got him must have cheated. Lose a game? The refs cheated my team. Lose an election? The winner must have cheated. No one likes to admit they sided with a loser and some will always resort to blaming it on cheating. In order to do that, they are required to not have trust in the process.

Look at how easy it is to convince millions that the election was fraudulent. People just had to shoot a video and claim that what they see is malfeasance, ignoring the fact that what they were actually seeing was not what they were claiming and boom, it must be true. Because those people wanted it to be true. You can't convince people that what they want isn't right.

[Deleted User 863]

Look at how easy it is to convince millions that the election was fraudulent. People just had to shoot a video and claim that what they see is malfeasance, ignoring the fact that what they were actually seeing was not what they were claiming and boom, it must be true. Because those people wanted it to be true. You can't convince people that what they want isn't right.

I agree with all that.

I also agree that the side that won had made up their mind that there was no fraud before they could have known too.

I think no matter the outcome there was going to be total freakout by the losing side. Republicans decided before the election that mail in voting was ripe for fraud...which i am sure to an extent it is (in theory), but doesn't appear that it actually occured. I mail in vote every year, and it doesn't seem that easy to do fraudulently. Mail in voting has been used for decades and is a GOOD thing for everyone. Should it be monitored closely for safety/soundness, absolutely. But it shouldn't be vilified like it has.

Republicans needed an explanation other than Trump was such a colossal idiot that he chased reasonable Republicans to Biden, as well as made non Republicans who don't usually vote show up. Good for them.

I think Biden is sort of an idiot, and i don't agree with some things he's doing....but he's doing some good things as well....and he's not on TV spewing hate every 10min.

[Deleted User 89]

why, specifically, do you think Biden is an idiot?

[Deleted User 863]

why, specifically, do you think Biden is an idiot?

Lord.

[Cascadia]

why, specifically, do you think Biden is an idiot?

Because

BOTH SIDES DO IT!

[ousdahl]

Fwiw I think he’s too old and maybe loosing his marbles