Kansas Crimson

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:38 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:43 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:21 pm

The problem is exactly that it is symbolic; the one threat you had was that you would fight for every inch of ground on this. Voluntarily taking an appeasement/collaboration path cuts directly against credibility on that.

I don't think this changes that at all. If this IARP committee drops the hammer on KU, this will go to court just as it would have if KU hadn't held Self and KT out of Peach Jam.

I think what jfish is trying to say is that there is no longer a hammer to drop if KU and the NCAA broker a deal. From a legal strategy point, it just makes little sense for KU to give an inch if the big hammer is still on the table after fighting every single thing thus far. Big hammer being: show-cause, multiyear Self suspension, Final Four banner removal, postseason bans.

Whatever it ends up being or meaning, this is by far the most significant development in the case since the charges were announced and KU filed its blistering Answer.

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:02 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:38 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:43 pm
I don't think this changes that at all. If this IARP committee drops the hammer on KU, this will go to court just as it would have if KU hadn't held Self and KT out of Peach Jam.

I think what jfish is trying to say is that there is no longer a hammer to drop if KU and the NCAA broker a deal. From a legal strategy point, it just makes little sense for KU to give an inch if the big hammer is still on the table after fighting every single thing thus far. Big hammer being: show-cause, multiyear Self suspension, Final Four banner removal, postseason bans.

Whatever it ends up being or meaning, this is by far the most significant development in the case since the charges were announced and KU filed its blistering Answer.

We just have no idea if this is part of the NCAA and KU brokering that deal or if it was done unprompted. We're just left to speculate and wait.

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:02 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:38 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:43 pm
I don't think this changes that at all. If this IARP committee drops the hammer on KU, this will go to court just as it would have if KU hadn't held Self and KT out of Peach Jam.

I think what jfish is trying to say is that there is no longer a hammer to drop if KU and the NCAA broker a deal. From a legal strategy point, it just makes little sense for KU to give an inch if the big hammer is still on the table after fighting every single thing thus far. Big hammer being: show-cause, multiyear Self suspension, Final Four banner removal, postseason bans.

Whatever it ends up being or meaning, this is by far the most significant development in the case since the charges were announced and KU filed its blistering Answer.

We just have no idea if this is part of the NCAA and KU brokering that deal or if it was done unprompted. We're just left to speculate and wait.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:09 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:02 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:38 pm

I think what jfish is trying to say is that there is no longer a hammer to drop if KU and the NCAA broker a deal. From a legal strategy point, it just makes little sense for KU to give an inch if the big hammer is still on the table after fighting every single thing thus far. Big hammer being: show-cause, multiyear Self suspension, Final Four banner removal, postseason bans.

Whatever it ends up being or meaning, this is by far the most significant development in the case since the charges were announced and KU filed its blistering Answer.

We just have no idea if this is part of the NCAA and KU brokering that deal or if it was done unprompted. We're just left to speculate and wait.

You are correct that we don't know that for sure but the tea leaves tend to suggest a situation that is more likely than the alternatives. In no way am I pulling a I'm-a-litigator-I-know-what-is-happening-here, it just that when most of these type of legal proceedings go this way, it suggests a certain path: give nothing until a deal is struck and/or right there in front of you. From a strategy standpoint, KU seemingly gains nothing by doing this unilaterally.

Again, we don't know for sure, but what we do know is that this is the first extreme departure from KU legal's public comments on the matter/procedure to date. Everything points to it being far more likely that a deal is complete or close than it is that KU is doing this unprompted. This is a very noteworthy development.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:26 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:02 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:38 pm

I think what jfish is trying to say is that there is no longer a hammer to drop if KU and the NCAA broker a deal. From a legal strategy point, it just makes little sense for KU to give an inch if the big hammer is still on the table after fighting every single thing thus far. Big hammer being: show-cause, multiyear Self suspension, Final Four banner removal, postseason bans.

Whatever it ends up being or meaning, this is by far the most significant development in the case since the charges were announced and KU filed its blistering Answer.

We just have no idea if this is part of the NCAA and KU brokering that deal or if it was done unprompted. We're just left to speculate and wait.

If only there were a forum, perhaps styled as a "board" where one could post "messages," where one could speculate about these things while one waits!

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:35 am For some real speculation: I wonder if the NCAA is past ready to move on from this given all of the charged conduct is no longer against the rules, they have stated their role in governance should decrease, and their unpopularity, but, this being Emmert's last baby, they are working to get the smallest pound of flesh from Self before sending Emmert packing.

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:11 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:35 am For some real speculation: I wonder if the NCAA is past ready to move on from this given all of the charged conduct is no longer against the rules, they have stated their role in governance should decrease, and their unpopularity, but, this being Emmert's last baby, they are working to get the smallest pound of flesh from Self before sending Emmert packing.

Especially knowing that the majority of members on the IARP are 3rd party professional sports mediators.

Does the ncaa have to "sign off" on any agreement that is reached or is it out of the hands of the NCAA office at this point?

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:11 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:35 am For some real speculation: I wonder if the NCAA is past ready to move on from this given all of the charged conduct is no longer against the rules, they have stated their role in governance should decrease, and their unpopularity, but, this being Emmert's last baby, they are working to get the smallest pound of flesh from Self before sending Emmert packing.

Especially knowing that the majority of members on the IARP are 3rd party professional sports mediators.

Does the ncaa have to "sign off" on any agreement that is reached or is it out of the hands of the NCAA office at this point?

Sparko wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:25 pm Someone must have traduced KU, for without having done anything wrong it was arrested one fine morning.

From a certain point onward there is no longer any turning back. That is the point that must be reached.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:48 am it is not college sports anymore. I know this.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:03 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:48 am it is not college sports anymore. I know this.

It's still college sports. It just doesn't utilize the antiquated "amateur" model it used to.