Re: Where's the Pro-Life thread?
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:53 am
I just took the time to read the last 7-8 pages. TDub definitely unhinged. Might be time for a break.
https://www.demos.org/blog/reproductive ... n-decisionGreater reproductive autonomy – whether in the form of access to birth control, abortion, paid family leave, or child care – affords women greater economic security and mobility. Expanding that autonomy will benefit not just individual women, but all working families. It is essential to re-establishing the economic security that can underpin an emerging phenomenon – the sleeping giant of a renewed working class in America.
Yet in our current go-it-alone system, parenthood for middle- and low-income Americans has become intensely correlated with economic harm, even more so for women of color. We must make it less onerous for American parents to raise children, by guaranteeing paid family leave, affordable child care, and ensuring jobs pay a family-supporting wage. At the same time, we must guarantee access to reproductive rights as key to economic opportunity for women with low incomes. Abortion in the US has become concentrated among poor women. According to the Guttmacher Institute, 42% of women having abortions are living below the federal poverty line. Moreover, 7 in 10 would have preferred to have their abortions earlier in the pregnancy but were forced to delay in order to find the money to pay for it. Women also report having to borrow from friends or family in order to pay for their abortion, or forgo expenses such as rent, utilities and groceries.
The systemic harms to women’s economic opportunity stemming from limits on reproductive freedom can be enhanced or mitigated by a number of public policy choices, including but not limited to: access to health insurance, proximity to health care providers, access to ready cash, ramifications of the Hyde amendment (which blocks federal funding for abortion services), access to public transportation, and pregnancy discrimination. The groundbreaking “Turnaway Study” found that most women who seek abortion are already struggling financially, and many cite poverty as their main reason to seek abortion. Moreover, according to the Reproductive Health Technologies Project, a woman who is turned away for an abortion is more likely to be in poverty two years after the fact. Denying women reproductive autonomy compounds our existing economic inequality...
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... ies-women/To understand the ways in which women’s reproductive autonomy and economic opportunity are linked, the authors analyzed economic outcomes for women who face varying degrees of reproductive health care access and found that:
Women living in states with a better reproductive health care climate—including insurance coverage of contraceptive drugs and services; expanded Medicaid eligibility for family-planning services; insurance coverage of infertility treatments; and the availability of state-supported public funding for medically necessary abortions—have higher earnings and face less occupational segregation compared with women living in states that have more limited reproductive health care access.
Women in states with robust reproductive health care climates also are less likely to work part time,13 giving them more opportunity for higher earnings; nonwage benefits such as access to paid sick days and paid leave; and greater promotion opportunities.14
Reproductive rights and health care access also reduce job lock, or the lack of labor mobility between jobs. Women who live in states with positive indicators of reproductive health care access, as measured by publicly available funding for abortion, are more likely to transition between occupations and from unemployment into employment. On the other hand, women in states with more limited abortion access, as measured by the presence of targeted regulation of abortion providers (TRAP) laws, are less likely to make these transitions.
Together, these findings start to paint a picture that shows how certain economic outcomes are connected to a woman’s ability to access the full range of reproductive health care services. Furthermore, the findings help clarify that women cannot achieve economic progress without securing greater autonomy to direct their futures.
1. Isn’t manipulating the beliefs of followers, maybe kind of sort of exactly what religions do?TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:08 pm Jesus Christ. The conspiracy is that there is a mysterious "powers that be" (conspiracy 1....right out of the trump playbook) that have ultimate control over any of this and that they manipulate (and have for 2k years) the construct of their followers and followers beliefs in such a way so as to make them believe that life of the unborn is important solely so that they can use the unborn as a future cheap labor source (conspiracy 2).
Im done. Have fun.
Actually, I’m not as familiar with those demographics off the top of my head.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:20 am You don't think Muslims are pro life? You don't think there are religious black and hispanic people who are pro life?
That there are negative economic implications by denying access to abortions is VERY VERY different than, Rich people want to ban abortions so they have cheap labor to exploit.
About 40% of Muslims are anti-abortion. Less than 20% of Muslims are Republican. Mathematically, AT LEAST half of anti-abortion muslims are not republican.ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:40 amActually, I’m not as familiar with those demographics off the top of my head.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:20 am You don't think Muslims are pro life? You don't think there are religious black and hispanic people who are pro life?
If you have a point you’d like to discuss, feel free.
Again, if you really wanted the answers to these questions, you wouldn't be asking them in a liberal echo chamber.ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:55 am well again, it’s not like the powers that be can come out and say it. Trust me, I read it on one of lobster’s nazi message boreds!
But perhaps the question is, how did the party of pro-life and the party of supply side wealth ended up being bedfellows?
How did the right wing media embrace so much pro-life messaging right along side their pro-gun, pro-war, anti-healthcare, anti-immigration, anti-living wage, climate change denial, etc kind of messaging?
How did the pro-life movement become so singularly focused on “pro-birth” to the exclusion of so many other issues that could otherwise be so effective at protecting lives?
My point is that religous people consist of FAR more people than white republican catholics.ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:40 amActually, I’m not as familiar with those demographics off the top of my head.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:20 am You don't think Muslims are pro life? You don't think there are religious black and hispanic people who are pro life?
If you have a point you’d like to discuss, feel free.
Honestly, most of the pro-life Catholic friends I have and have had start and end the political discussion at pro-life. As in, they have little interest or concern for other issues (even their own economic interests!), and decide how to vote entirely and exclusively based on which candidates they perceive as more “pro-life” (in the narrow context of being opposed to access to reproductive rights)PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:02 amAgain, if you really wanted the answers to these questions, you wouldn't be asking them in a liberal echo chamber.ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:55 am well again, it’s not like the powers that be can come out and say it. Trust me, I read it on one of lobster’s nazi message boreds!
But perhaps the question is, how did the party of pro-life and the party of supply side wealth ended up being bedfellows?
How did the right wing media embrace so much pro-life messaging right along side their pro-gun, pro-war, anti-healthcare, anti-immigration, anti-living wage, climate change denial, etc kind of messaging?
How did the pro-life movement become so singularly focused on “pro-birth” to the exclusion of so many other issues that could otherwise be so effective at protecting lives?
Sparko's gonna tell you you're on the right track.
But if you want someone who is pro-life to explain their stance to you, I'd encourage you to seek them out.