Kansas Crimson

Harris Wilson and KJ out there together would have to be a lower scoring defensive minded type style. Even with Yes or Dick and Clemence out there for shooting.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:26 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:17 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:11 am I think Davis is supposed to announce today and that sure seems to have trailed off--guessing he chooses Memphis.

I wonder if the overall plan here is to have one of CB or J Will back and then add a guard/wing or two that has a couple years of eligibility left rather than one of the most coveted guys.

Probably depends on who the one coming back is. I think Braun is much harder to replace.

Agree with that.

If you do a Harris/Guard/Wilson/Adams/5 starting lineup, it's in desperate need of shooters and spacing.

That's a broke-ass offense, unless Dick really is a OAD type. And/or Clemence develops physically, a LOT.

This is a good illustration of the extreme danger inherent in giving the keys to Harris/Garrett types. If you run into a season without other scoring punch in the backcourt, you're well and truly fucked.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:35 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:26 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:17 am

Probably depends on who the one coming back is. I think Braun is much harder to replace.

Agree with that.

If you do a Harris/Guard/Wilson/Adams/5 starting lineup, it's in desperate need of shooters and spacing.

That's a broke-ass offense, unless Dick really is a OAD type. And/or Clemence develops physically, a LOT.

Yeah, I'm not sure why I did not put Dick in there. I think he is OAD, but not like Wiggins OAD.

Just illustrating why CB coming back makes things a lot easier for offensive rotations. Likely still see a lot of Jalen at the 4 even though I am guessing his camp wants him at the 3 and I want to see a ton of Adams at the 4.

DH shoots 38% from 3. If he can keep that type of % as his attempts increase then that will help with the problem.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:38 am DH shoots 38% from 3. If he can keep that type of % as his attempts increase then that will help with the problem.

That's an incredibly hollow 38%. I agree to drop the negativity if he can do that on 4+ attempts/game, in the flow of the offense.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:40 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:38 am DH shoots 38% from 3. If he can keep that type of % as his attempts increase then that will help with the problem.

That's an incredibly hollow 38%. I agree to drop the negativity if he can do that on 4+ attempts/game, in the flow of the offense.

It's going to be a major hurdle. Release is inconsistent, slow, and way too low.

This looks like a Garrett problem not a Tyshawn problem.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:40 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:38 am DH shoots 38% from 3. If he can keep that type of % as his attempts increase then that will help with the problem.

That's an incredibly hollow 38%. I agree to drop the negativity if he can do that on 4+ attempts/game, in the flow of the offense.

Why would he ever "need" to shoot 4+ attempts per game over the course of a season?

Och averaged 6.5 attempts per game. CB 3.3 attempts per game. JW 3.1 attempts per game.

It's so funny how we throw things out like "hollow" %s....want me to blow your mind? In the 5 games where DH has shot 4+ attempts from 3pt he shot 13/23 (56.5%).

And those 5 games were Texas, Okie State, Nova, Eastern Washington, and Mizzou. So they weren't early season cupcakes (well other than Mizzou ).

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:42 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:40 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:38 am DH shoots 38% from 3. If he can keep that type of % as his attempts increase then that will help with the problem.

That's an incredibly hollow 38%. I agree to drop the negativity if he can do that on 4+ attempts/game, in the flow of the offense.

It's going to be a major hurdle. Release is inconsistent, slow, and way too low.

This looks like a Garrett problem not a Tyshawn problem.

Fwiw Tyshawn didn't have a single season where he attempted 4+ 3pt shots per game.

dh started on a nc team. tt did not.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:47 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:40 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:38 am DH shoots 38% from 3. If he can keep that type of % as his attempts increase then that will help with the problem.

That's an incredibly hollow 38%. I agree to drop the negativity if he can do that on 4+ attempts/game, in the flow of the offense.

Why would he ever "need" to shoot 4+ attempts per game over the course of a season?

Och averaged 6.5 attempts per game. CB 3.3 attempts per game. JW 3.1 attempts per game.

It's so funny how we throw things out like "hollow" %s....want me to blow your mind? In the 5 games where DH has shot 4+ attempts from 3pt he shot 13/23 (56.5%).

And those 5 games were Texas, Okie State, Nova, Eastern Washington, and Mizzou. So they weren't early season cupcakes (well other than Mizzou ).

This goes along with what I've said all along. His numbers are there, just not a lot of them. That makes people jump to the conclusion that because a guy doesn't shoot a ton that means he's a bad shooter.

NDballer13 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:01 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:47 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:40 am

That's an incredibly hollow 38%. I agree to drop the negativity if he can do that on 4+ attempts/game, in the flow of the offense.

Why would he ever "need" to shoot 4+ attempts per game over the course of a season?

Och averaged 6.5 attempts per game. CB 3.3 attempts per game. JW 3.1 attempts per game.

It's so funny how we throw things out like "hollow" %s....want me to blow your mind? In the 5 games where DH has shot 4+ attempts from 3pt he shot 13/23 (56.5%).

And those 5 games were Texas, Okie State, Nova, Eastern Washington, and Mizzou. So they weren't early season cupcakes (well other than Mizzou ).

This goes along with what I've said all along. His numbers are there, just not a lot of them. That makes people jump to the conclusion that because a guy doesn't shoot a ton that means he's a bad shooter.

He also probably "shouldn't" shoot a ton. That's not his role.

I bet the Lakers wish Westbrook was more like DH and realized that just because he is wide open doesn't necessarily mean he should shoot it when he can get the "team" a better shot.

I also (like probably everyone else here) personally prefer 1st team AA scoring PG like Devonte Dotson or Frank over a distributor PG like DH, but that's not our reality right now.

We can and have won with DH. I think it's foolish to only focus on his negatives when we know he's our PG the next several years.

It's not focusing on his negatives when you point out the reality that in order for both Harris and Harris's teams to be good you have to surround him with scorers.

Aaron Miles was the same way and he's one of the best distributing PG's in the history of the league.

He can shoot it well enough when he's open, as ugly as the shot is.
And he was open a lot.
My question is, without DMac drawing doubles and Ochai getting shadowed -- will the opposing defenses not have to cheat off him anymore -- and then can he put up similar percentages with more attention?

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:11 am It's not focusing on his negatives when you point out the reality that in order for both Harris and Harris's teams to be good you have to surround him with scorers.

Aaron Miles was the same way and he's one of the best distributing PG's in the history of the league.

It is, to me at least, focusing on the negatives when it's presented as needing to shoot 4+ attempts per game from 3 for his shooting numbers to not be "hollow".

Aaron Miles averaged 2.2 3pt attempts per game for his career at KU.

when a nice thing has never been said about him. i would say that qualifies as focusing on the negative.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:26 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:17 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:11 am I think Davis is supposed to announce today and that sure seems to have trailed off--guessing he chooses Memphis.

I wonder if the overall plan here is to have one of CB or J Will back and then add a guard/wing or two that has a couple years of eligibility left rather than one of the most coveted guys.

Probably depends on who the one coming back is. I think Braun is much harder to replace.

Agree with that.

If you do a Harris/Guard/Wilson/Adams/5 starting lineup, it's in desperate need of shooters and spacing.

I think the ideal starting lineup if nobody returns that declares is Harris, Rice, Dick, Adams and Clemence. Yes, Udeh, Cuffe Jr and Pettiford off the bench.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:47 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:40 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:38 am DH shoots 38% from 3. If he can keep that type of % as his attempts increase then that will help with the problem.

That's an incredibly hollow 38%. I agree to drop the negativity if he can do that on 4+ attempts/game, in the flow of the offense.

Why would he ever "need" to shoot 4+ attempts per game over the course of a season?

Och averaged 6.5 attempts per game. CB 3.3 attempts per game. JW 3.1 attempts per game.

It's so funny how we throw things out like "hollow" %s....want me to blow your mind? In the 5 games where DH has shot 4+ attempts from 3pt he shot 13/23 (56.5%).

And those 5 games were Texas, Okie State, Nova, Eastern Washington, and Mizzou. So they weren't early season cupcakes (well other than Mizzou ).

The issue, as always, is the flow of the offense. It's just extremely limiting to have a lead ballhandler who, whether it's a can't or won't issue, doesn't make the opponent pay for daylight.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:14 am He can shoot it well enough when he's open, as ugly as the shot is.
And he was open a lot.
My question is, without DMac drawing doubles and Ochai getting shadowed -- will the opposing defenses not have to cheat off him anymore -- and then can he put up similar percentages with more attention?

Fair.

And conversely, with defenses not having to help off him, could that actually be a benefit to his ability to distribute the ball by getting into the lane to create for others, rather than feel like he "needs" to shoot to prevent them from helping off and ignoring him on the perimeter?

Maybe it could actually be viewed as a positive?

My worthless guess is that his attempts per game go up slightly and his 3pt % stays the same due to continuing to work hard on his shot in the offseason. Dude didn't earn this much praise from Self without being a hardworking team 1st asset. It wasn't a fluke that multiple times in the tournament Self praised him for being a difference maker in our comebacks. Miami and UNC.