Kansas Crimson

I have shared this before.
If you play where is Waldo/Bobby Portis (before the Bools drafted him) you can find Gutter.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:52 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 5:38 pm Tough playoffs for the refs so far. Yikes.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdT4sVVF ... MyMTA2M2Y=

Numerous times every game I say to myself that it's difficult to keep watching because of the poor officiating.
That and it's embarrassing NBA players have become as bad as soccer players in regards to acting.

There is a funny Kyle Lowry one. I will see if I can find it.

Here it is...

More fucked up NBA fan (and player) behavior.

Here is the story....

https://sports.yahoo.com/phoenix-suns-c ... 38253.html

One of these players is going to end up beating the shit out of a fan for doing shit like this. And I won't blame them for it. Wtf is wrong with people?

Also, wtf is wrong with CP3 the last 2 games? 2 of his worst performances of the entire season.

Markieff sighting

Jayhawk on Jayhawk crime!

If I were to vote based on the existing rules for mvp, I’d vote Joker.
If I were to vote on how the rules should be, extending into the playoffs, I’d vote Embiid.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 6:03 am If I were to vote based on the existing rules for mvp, I’d vote Joker.
If I were to vote on how the rules should be, extending into the playoffs, I’d vote Embiid.

Why? Jokic was better in every statistical category than Embiid. You'd basically just be rewarding Embiid for how his team performed in the 2 games he wasn't there while punishing Jokic for not missing any games.

Embiid won the scoring title. First Center since Shaq to do it.

Both are worthy recipients.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:34 am Embiid won the scoring title. First Center since Shaq to do it.

Both are worthy recipients.

Agreed, I wouldn't have argued against either of them winning it. But I wouldn't have changed my vote based on the playoffs as Jokic was insanely good.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:48 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:34 am Embiid won the scoring title. First Center since Shaq to do it.

Both are worthy recipients.

Agreed, I wouldn't have argued against either of them winning it. But I wouldn't have changed my vote based on the playoffs as Jokic was insanely good.

Same.

I do think voting should be done after the playoffs are completed. It's an important part of the season when determining an MVP.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:48 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:34 am Embiid won the scoring title. First Center since Shaq to do it.

Both are worthy recipients.

Agreed, I wouldn't have argued against either of them winning it. But I wouldn't have changed my vote based on the playoffs as Jokic was insanely good.

Was close for all 3 at the top.

The argument for Embiid would be being tied for best record among the 3 frontrunners, despite missing a few games and being in the deeper conference. This was also without having a real #2 player most of the season as well as dealing with major drama on that front. Less importantly, but still factually true, is that it was an improvement of record from last season when the Sixers finished first.

In other words, it is not an MOP award.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:29 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 6:03 am If I were to vote based on the existing rules for mvp, I’d vote Joker.
If I were to vote on how the rules should be, extending into the playoffs, I’d vote Embiid.

Why? Jokic was better in every statistical category than Embiid. You'd basically just be rewarding Embiid for how his team performed in the 2 games he wasn't there while punishing Jokic for not missing any games.

This is assuming, because I think it will happen with Embiid back, the 76ers make the Eastern conference finals. And because I think Embiid is more important to his team than Jokic.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:54 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:48 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:34 am Embiid won the scoring title. First Center since Shaq to do it.

Both are worthy recipients.

Agreed, I wouldn't have argued against either of them winning it. But I wouldn't have changed my vote based on the playoffs as Jokic was insanely good.

Was close for all 3 at the top.

The argument for Embiid would be being tied for best record among the 3 frontrunners, despite missing a few games and being in the deeper conference. This was also without having a real #2 player most of the season as well as dealing with major drama on that front. Less importantly, but still factually true, is that it was an improvement of record from last season when the Sixers finished first.

In other words, it is not an MOP award.

Jokic led the league in most advanced stats this year related to "valuable". Highest Win Share, highest offensive box plus/minus, highest defensive box plus/minus, highest total box plus/minus, highest value over replacement player. He has also led the league in PER the last two seasons.

For an NBA that is allegedly all about shooting threes, the three best players are these two big lumbering centers plus a 7 foot Giannis.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:03 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:29 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 6:03 am If I were to vote based on the existing rules for mvp, I’d vote Joker.
If I were to vote on how the rules should be, extending into the playoffs, I’d vote Embiid.

Why? Jokic was better in every statistical category than Embiid. You'd basically just be rewarding Embiid for how his team performed in the 2 games he wasn't there while punishing Jokic for not missing any games.

This is assuming, because I think it will happen with Embiid back, the 76ers make the Eastern conference finals. And because I think Embiid is more important to his team than Jokic.

So Jokic would be more "valuable" if the 2nd and 3rd best player on his team in Porter and Murray were playing and the team advanced further?

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:08 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:54 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:48 am

Agreed, I wouldn't have argued against either of them winning it. But I wouldn't have changed my vote based on the playoffs as Jokic was insanely good.

Was close for all 3 at the top.

The argument for Embiid would be being tied for best record among the 3 frontrunners, despite missing a few games and being in the deeper conference. This was also without having a real #2 player most of the season as well as dealing with major drama on that front. Less importantly, but still factually true, is that it was an improvement of record from last season when the Sixers finished first.

In other words, it is not an MOP award.

Jokic led the league in most advanced stats this year related to "valuable". Highest Win Share, highest offensive box plus/minus, highest defensive box plus/minus, highest total box plus/minus, highest value over replacement player. He has also led the league in PER the last two seasons.

For an NBA that is allegedly all about shooting threes, the three best players are these two big lumbering centers plus a 7 foot Giannis.

That's why they have 100 voters. Most Valuable Player of the League is just so subjective.

Joel really passes the fear test, though. An unstoppable force.

Watching Embiid in the playoffs, he's amped his defensive intensity back up, and you can see what a force he is on both sides of the floor. Joke is a better defensive player than people assume but Embiid can be elite on both ends - Joker cannot.

If Embiid can get to the Conference finals, with a busted face and hand, after what this season has served up for him, he'd get my vote.

On that note, because it's a regular season award, I don't have much argument for Joker:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/338 ... ive-season

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:03 am I think Embiid is more important to his team than Jokic.

I don't. I think that aspect is too close to call. I think both teams would suck without those 2. Supporting casts are comparable when factoring in that Harden was only there for a portion of the year, and Murray and MPJr were out all year. Tobias Harris would be the 2nd best player on Denver right now imo.

With Embiid or Jokic neither team sniffs the playoffs imo.

I do think Embiid is slightly better at defense than Jokic. But even that is close.

Embiid is more fun to watch.