Kansas Crimson

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:22 pm This is the theory of how vaccines work. I seriously doubt that Fauci was intentionally trying to mislead. No treatment/vaccine is 100% guaranteed to work as desired. If it makes you feel better that you were intentionally misled then go ahead and believe that.

Btw, vaccination did diminish the rate of infection in the community.

LOL

Tell me about masks.

I mean...the CDC has ADMITTED that it lied about the efficacy of masks initially, specifically because it didn't want to cause a shortage.

In a March 8, 2020, interview, Fauci stated that "right now in the United States, people [who are not infected] should not be walking around with masks", but "if you want to do it, that's fine". In the same interview, Fauci said that buying masks "could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need" them: "When you think masks, you should think of healthcare providers needing them". When Fauci made this comment, America's top surgical mask maker was struggling to produce enough masks to meet the increased demand.

Is that a lie, or someone making the best out of a bad situation.

The virus is to blame for the pandemic.

Stop trying to besmirch someone's reputation just because you're mad that most physicians vote democrat.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:48 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:22 pm This is the theory of how vaccines work. I seriously doubt that Fauci was intentionally trying to mislead. No treatment/vaccine is 100% guaranteed to work as desired. If it makes you feel better that you were intentionally misled then go ahead and believe that.

Btw, vaccination did diminish the rate of infection in the community.

LOL

Tell me about masks.

I mean...the CDC has ADMITTED that it lied about the efficacy of masks initially, specifically because it didn't want to cause a shortage.

That was just one example of them lying. There were many. They lied whenever it was in line with their goal.

At least Fraudci was being honest here:

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:59 pm
Is that a lie, or someone making the best out of a bad situation.

They certainly were trying to make the most money and social control out of the situation.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:59 pm
The virus is to blame for the pandemic.

I'd suggest that even this is an issue -- and further reason to be dubious about the role of the public health bureaucracy in all of this.

Ultimately, yes the virus is the culprit.

That said, there is little doubt that we still don't know anywhere near the entire story about its origin and spread. If we include the WHO in the extended "public health" family, then there is absolutely no question that there was intentional and purposeful deception on its part for purely (geo)political reasons.

And for the record, I want to distinguish my critique of the public health bureaucracy from Lobster's. I don't think the flat dishonesty was a failure of health care more broadly but a failure of government, its propensity to turn everything it touches to shit.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:59 pm

In a March 8, 2020, interview, Fauci stated that "right now in the United States, people [who are not infected] should not be walking around with masks", but "if you want to do it, that's fine". In the same interview, Fauci said that buying masks "could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need" them: "When you think masks, you should think of healthcare providers needing them". When Fauci made this comment, America's top surgical mask maker was struggling to produce enough masks to meet the increased demand.

Is that a lie, or someone making the best out of a bad situation.

I think it's both.

And, frankly, that gets to the heart of the bitterness over the pandemic response.

When you have roughly a third of the people in the country who are hardcore deontologists and another third who are hardcore consequentialists, you wind up with unresolvable incompatibility, in addition to a propensity for attempted-neutral incompetence.

It was a new virus. There were similarities to past viruses, but no one knew exactly HOW to battle it.

Faucci wasn’t wrong to make the statement that he made, given the limited experience.

I personally witnessed people trying to come to terms with and make plans for a virus that was NOVEL

Who knew that randy and lobster would end up brainwashing DC!

DC barely agrees with anything I've said. lol

To be fair, I think he's always tried to keep a centrist approach to things, which is good in most cases. But there are times when taking that approach doesn't get to the truth. Better to take as much of an unbiased approach as possible.

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 10:08 pm Who knew that randy and lobster would end up brainwashing DC!

LOL

zsn wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 10:08 pm Who knew that randy and lobster would end up brainwashing DC!

the person that agrees with everything the mainstream media has told them to think about covid, is accusing others of being brainwashed. Always hilarious

DC has been about as neutral and middle ground as anybody. Been a breath of fresh air. Hes not agreeing with everything any of us are saying, instead he's thinking for himself. And coming up with his own opinion. What a crazy concept lol
(And of course the lefties are offended by that and calling him brainwashed)

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:11 am And coming up with his own opinion. What a crazy concept lol
(And of course the lefties are offended by that and calling him brainwashed)

Says the dude who is lapping up Twitter accounts like “Stop Wokeness” and regurgitating it all over these boreds.

This is a good video for a psych evaluation. Did the person watching it laugh and if so, what does that say about the person? I'm putting it on this thread because I believe the person who designed and installed the swing is a Jew.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ussia.html

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:17 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:11 am And coming up with his own opinion. What a crazy concept lol
(And of course the lefties are offended by that and calling him brainwashed)

Says the dude who is lapping up Twitter accounts like “Stop Wokeness” and regurgitating it all over these boreds.

If I wuz you, I’d report it to the mods

Says the dude who spams the poli bored with stuff from anti-work and RussiaisbadbutalsothereareNazisinUkraine.com.

oh my bad, guess I didn’t realize we aren’t supposed to talk politics on the politics bored.

Overlander wrote: ↑Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:09 pm It was a new virus. There were similarities to past viruses, but no one knew exactly HOW to battle it.

Faucci wasn’t wrong to make the statement that he made, given the limited experience.

I personally witnessed people trying to come to terms with and make plans for a virus that was NOVEL

Right.

How goddamn stupid it is to be playing gotcha games based on things that were basically well-reasoned guesses…on March 8, 2020.

The only thing that was CERTAIN at that point, is that real, actual isolation - not red county/blue county hodgepodge, not performative martyrdom, not isolation-but - would stop the spread.

For a great many reasons, that sort of effective isolation was neither practical nor, in the big picture, the right thing to do. Let alone legal or consistent with our country’s values.

It is simply INCONTROVERTIBLY TRUE that, on a high level, masking is better than not masking. That, on a high level, the vaccines we have are better than no vaccines.

It is also plainly true that addled rubes, goosed on by bad-faith puppeteer-profiteers, are compensating for insecurities and vulnerabilities by becoming vectors not for Covid, but for evidence-light (even evidence-less) conspiracy theories.

It’s really not so different from ancient times, where people made up stories about the gods and their offspring and their desires and whims and so on, because the people did not have the scientific tools to explain the world in which they live. Now, you have huge chunks of the populace who NEED these conspiracy theories to explain their world.

The WHY for that is perhaps the most important area for study in modern psychology. Not least because there is a TON of overlap between the groups who NEED these conspiracy theories, and groups that favor or at least harbor people who do grave damage, in myriad ways, to our order- and rules-based society and its people.

the world botched it in spectacular fashion. some of the world continues to botch it. we now know better. the U.S. is the greatest country on earth by a wide margin. my spectacular holiday season is proof of that.

JFish finally with a good post.