We Lost the Battle for the Republican Party’s Soul Long Ago

[randylahey]

Youre insanely politically biased if you think one party is the problem but not the other

[randylahey]

There are already viable third parties. But the system is rigged to keep them out and millions of Americans are too caught up in this "my party vs your party" bullshit

[jfish26]

There are already viable third parties. But the system is rigged to keep them out and millions of Americans are too caught up in this "my party vs your party" bullshit

Then they're not viable.

[jfish26]

Youre insanely politically biased if you think one party is the problem but not the other

I never said anything like "one party is the problem but not the other." And nor do I think that.

But when the airplane we call democracy is falling out of the sky from 36,000 feet, yes I'm looking more closely at the wing that fell off, as compared with some wear and tear in the landing gear (or something, whatever, point is that the two parties are not remotely close to being equal contributors to the problem).

[MICHHAWK]

"blah blah blah (rubes). blah blah blah."

[randylahey]

There are already viable third parties. But the system is rigged to keep them out and millions of Americans are too caught up in this "my party vs your party" bullshit

Then they're not viable.

The party is perfectly viable. Its the voters that aren't. Too ignorant to really even understand what they are voting for

[KUTradition]

There are already viable third parties. But the system is rigged to keep them out and millions of Americans are too caught up in this "my party vs your party" bullshit

says the guy who constantly rails against libs…you’re one of the most decisive posters here

such a fucking joke

[randylahey]

There are already viable third parties. But the system is rigged to keep them out and millions of Americans are too caught up in this "my party vs your party" bullshit

says the guy who constantly rails against libs…you’re one of the most decisive posters here

such a fucking joke

So decisive.

[randylahey]

I rail against libs because I have a bigger problem with their dems or a federal level and the propaganda they use to brainwash people. Its out of control. But there's plenty of shit ill rail against the Republicans on too

[Shirley]

You’re small government Republican, ladies and gentlemen.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/4/9 ... -protester

The Party of Law and Order

A week ago today: Fascist Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed a GOP-sponsored bill into law Monday allowing people to carry concealed firearms anywhere in the state without a permit, after it was overwhelmingly approved in Florida’s state legislature last week.

With DeSantis’ signature, gun owners in Florida only need to hold a valid ID to carry a concealed weapon, with a $25 fine for failing to do so.

What could possibly go wrong?

"I didn't want to give him a chance to aim at me, ya know?"

(But then, he was black...)

"

[jfish26]

There are already viable third parties. But the system is rigged to keep them out and millions of Americans are too caught up in this "my party vs your party" bullshit

Then they're not viable.

The party is perfectly viable. Its the voters that aren't. Too ignorant to really even understand what they are voting for

This isn't how viability works. A political party isn't viable if it doesn't have a constituency. A business idea isn't viable if it doesn't have customers. A baby isn't viable if it's not capable of breathing or eating.

[Shirley]

Today In: Republicans, the "Pro-Business" Party:

Biotech leaders 'cannot stay quiet' as judge blocks abortion pill approval

Some 300 biotech executives and industry leaders are objecting to the decision from a Texas federal judge to block the FDA’s approval of abortion drug mifepristone. The executives argue that the judicial interference will undermine the agency’s authority and endanger innovation in the industry.

“Judge Kacsmaryk’s act of judicial interference has set a precedent for diminishing FDA’s authority over drug approvals, and in so doing, creates uncertainty for the entire biopharma industry,” the biotech executives wrote in an open letter that has collected 299 signatures as of publication.

...“As an industry we count on the FDA’s autonomy and authority to bring new medicines to patients under a reliable regulatory process for drug evaluation and approval. Adding regulatory uncertainty to the already inherently risky work of discovering and developing new medicines will likely have the effect of reducing incentives for investment, endangering the innovation that characterizes our industry,” the biotech leaders wrote.

If judges can unilaterally rule to overturn drug approvals without any regard for science or evidence, the biotech leaders say that “any medicine is at risk.”

...“While the drug development, approval and monitoring process is not perfect, the agency’s framework has resulted in decades of unsurpassed medical innovation and in statutory mechanisms to remove drugs from the market if, among other reasons, they fail to maintain the anticipated safety and efficacy profile,” the letter says.

The leaders called for the decision to be reversed and for FDA’s authority to be restored. “In the face of laws and rulings that aim to undermine the evidence-based and legislatively sanctioned authority of federally mandated institutions such as FDA to protect public interests and by putting an entire industry focused on medical innovation at risk, we cannot stay quiet,” the letter concludes.

[jfish26]

Today In: Republicans, the "Pro-Business" Party:

Biotech leaders 'cannot stay quiet' as judge blocks abortion pill approval

Some 300 biotech executives and industry leaders are objecting to the decision from a Texas federal judge to block the FDA’s approval of abortion drug mifepristone. The executives argue that the judicial interference will undermine the agency’s authority and endanger innovation in the industry.

“Judge Kacsmaryk’s act of judicial interference has set a precedent for diminishing FDA’s authority over drug approvals, and in so doing, creates uncertainty for the entire biopharma industry,” the biotech executives wrote in an open letter that has collected 299 signatures as of publication.

...“As an industry we count on the FDA’s autonomy and authority to bring new medicines to patients under a reliable regulatory process for drug evaluation and approval. Adding regulatory uncertainty to the already inherently risky work of discovering and developing new medicines will likely have the effect of reducing incentives for investment, endangering the innovation that characterizes our industry,” the biotech leaders wrote.

If judges can unilaterally rule to overturn drug approvals without any regard for science or evidence, the biotech leaders say that “any medicine is at risk.”

...“While the drug development, approval and monitoring process is not perfect, the agency’s framework has resulted in decades of unsurpassed medical innovation and in statutory mechanisms to remove drugs from the market if, among other reasons, they fail to maintain the anticipated safety and efficacy profile,” the letter says.

The leaders called for the decision to be reversed and for FDA’s authority to be restored. “In the face of laws and rulings that aim to undermine the evidence-based and legislatively sanctioned authority of federally mandated institutions such as FDA to protect public interests and by putting an entire industry focused on medical innovation at risk, we cannot stay quiet,” the letter concludes.

Of course this is true. The same way it's true that public safety will be severely compromised if would-be criminals perceive that they'll only be imprisoned until a more ideologically-aligned administration takes the reins (speaking of course about the pending Texas pardon for a guy convicted of murder last week).

[twocoach]

There are already viable third parties. But the system is rigged to keep them out and millions of Americans are too caught up in this "my party vs your party" bullshit

Or they just do not have ideas that enough people support to a level where they give them their vote.

[zsn]

There are already viable third parties. But the system is rigged to keep them out and millions of Americans are too caught up in this "my party vs your party" bullshit

Or they just do not have ideas that enough people support to a level where they give them their vote.

This. I want us to have a female president, but not Nikki Haley, Sarah Palin or MTG. That doesn’t mean I’m opposed to a female president - just not those persons. Similarly, I would gladly support a third party candidate. Just not the ones who have run so far. I will never support a candidate who is for weakening regulations which would endanger lives or consumer protections. As long as the libertarian party espouses these positions they will never get my vote.

[twocoach]

There are already viable third parties. But the system is rigged to keep them out and millions of Americans are too caught up in this "my party vs your party" bullshit

Or they just do not have ideas that enough people support to a level where they give them their vote.

This. I want us to have a female president, but not Nikki Haley, Sarah Palin or MTG. That doesn’t mean I’m opposed to a female president - just not those persons. Similarly, I would gladly support a third party candidate. Just not the ones who have run so far. I will never support a candidate who is for weakening regulations which would endanger lives or consumer protections. As long as the libertarian party espouses these positions they will never get my vote.

Agreed. Solid, stable companies have robust auditing, appropriate regulations so that an agreed upon standard is adhered to and practices in place to monitor their internal performance and to be held accountable to stakeholders and a solid, stable government should have that as well.

The GOP was right that it may be better to run the government more like a business. They just fucked up and hired someone who succeeds at that only due to fraudulent business practices.

[jfish26]

Or they just do not have ideas that enough people support to a level where they give them their vote.

This. I want us to have a female president, but not Nikki Haley, Sarah Palin or MTG. That doesn’t mean I’m opposed to a female president - just not those persons. Similarly, I would gladly support a third party candidate. Just not the ones who have run so far. I will never support a candidate who is for weakening regulations which would endanger lives or consumer protections. As long as the libertarian party espouses these positions they will never get my vote.

Agreed. Solid, stable companies have robust auditing, appropriate regulations so that an agreed upon standard is adhered to and practices in place to monitor their internal performance and to be held accountable to stakeholders and a solid, stable government should have that as well.

The GOP was right that it may be better to run the government more like a business. They just fucked up and hired someone who succeeds at that only due to fraudulent business practices.

Running the government like a business sounds like a good idea...until it's interrogated a little bit.

A business is run for profit; it's a zero sum game. For every winner, there must be a loser.

Government should be different. The purpose of government should be...well..."to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."

To me, that speaks to the purpose of government being to create and maintain an environment - very much including a robust private business/commercial environment - that furthers those preamble principles.

[Shirley]

This. I want us to have a female president, but not Nikki Haley, Sarah Palin or MTG. That doesn’t mean I’m opposed to a female president - just not those persons. Similarly, I would gladly support a third party candidate. Just not the ones who have run so far. I will never support a candidate who is for weakening regulations which would endanger lives or consumer protections. As long as the libertarian party espouses these positions they will never get my vote.

Agreed. Solid, stable companies have robust auditing, appropriate regulations so that an agreed upon standard is adhered to and practices in place to monitor their internal performance and to be held accountable to stakeholders and a solid, stable government should have that as well.

The GOP was right that it may be better to run the government more like a business. They just fucked up and hired someone who succeeds at that only due to fraudulent business practices.

Running the government like a business sounds like a good idea...until it's interrogated a little bit.

A business is run for profit; it's a zero sum game. For every winner, there must be a loser.

Government should be different. The purpose of government should be...well..."to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."

To me, that speaks to the purpose of government being to create and maintain an environment - very much including a robust private business/commercial environment - that furthers those preamble principles.

^^^

[twocoach]

This. I want us to have a female president, but not Nikki Haley, Sarah Palin or MTG. That doesn’t mean I’m opposed to a female president - just not those persons. Similarly, I would gladly support a third party candidate. Just not the ones who have run so far. I will never support a candidate who is for weakening regulations which would endanger lives or consumer protections. As long as the libertarian party espouses these positions they will never get my vote.

Agreed. Solid, stable companies have robust auditing, appropriate regulations so that an agreed upon standard is adhered to and practices in place to monitor their internal performance and to be held accountable to stakeholders and a solid, stable government should have that as well.

The GOP was right that it may be better to run the government more like a business. They just fucked up and hired someone who succeeds at that only due to fraudulent business practices.

Running the government like a business sounds like a good idea...until it's interrogated a little bit.

A business is run for profit; it's a zero sum game. For every winner, there must be a loser.

Government should be different. The purpose of government should be...well..."to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."

To me, that speaks to the purpose of government being to create and maintain an environment - very much including a robust private business/commercial environment - that furthers those preamble principles.

AKA run it like a solid non-profit.

[jfish26]

Agreed. Solid, stable companies have robust auditing, appropriate regulations so that an agreed upon standard is adhered to and practices in place to monitor their internal performance and to be held accountable to stakeholders and a solid, stable government should have that as well.

The GOP was right that it may be better to run the government more like a business. They just fucked up and hired someone who succeeds at that only due to fraudulent business practices.

Running the government like a business sounds like a good idea...until it's interrogated a little bit.

A business is run for profit; it's a zero sum game. For every winner, there must be a loser.

Government should be different. The purpose of government should be...well..."to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."

To me, that speaks to the purpose of government being to create and maintain an environment - very much including a robust private business/commercial environment - that furthers those preamble principles.

AKA run it like a solid non-profit.

That’s a better analog than a for-profit, yes.