Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:54 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:51 am Counterpoint:

Dems are banking on winning back the presidency on still little more than “not Trump” sentiments, rather than just offering some something to actually win back progressive voters instead of alienate, tho their margins for victory remain razor-thin either way

I don't think the math supports this counterpoint.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:40 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:54 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:51 am Counterpoint:

Dems are banking on winning back the presidency on still little more than “not Trump” sentiments, rather than just offering some something to actually win back progressive voters instead of alienate, tho their margins for victory remain razor-thin either way

I don't think the math supports this counterpoint.

you all know I'm not a Biden fan.

But.....the dems need to do whatever possible to secure the middle ground vote to avoid a real real wreck. This, includes, not running and pushing extremely liberal platforms for the time being.

I dont want Biden, but, it cannot be Trump.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:40 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:54 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:51 am Counterpoint:

Dems are banking on winning back the presidency on still little more than “not Trump” sentiments, rather than just offering some something to actually win back progressive voters instead of alienate, tho their margins for victory remain razor-thin either way

I don't think the math supports this counterpoint.

you all know I'm not a Biden fan.

But.....the dems need to do whatever possible to secure the middle ground vote to avoid a real real wreck. This, includes, not running and pushing extremely liberal platforms for the time being.

I dont want Biden, but, it cannot be Trump.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:49 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:40 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:54 am

I don't think the math supports this counterpoint.

you all know I'm not a Biden fan.

But.....the dems need to do whatever possible to secure the middle ground vote to avoid a real real wreck. This, includes, not running and pushing extremely liberal platforms for the time being.

I dont want Biden, but, it cannot be Trump.

i agree with that

the last thing we need right now is for the dems to move further left and risk alienating moderates that lean right

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:09 pm Left and Right are nonsense terms. They have no meaning whatsoever.

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:53 pm Can't thank Trump enough for recently reminding us of something we already know about republicans, but that bears reminding Americans of just as we start the 2024 campaign season in earnest. That is, same as it ever was, republicans want to "reform", i.e., "cut", "entitlements" like Social Security and Medicare.

You go Donny! Have at it. Hopefully Republican plans to dismantle the social safety net Americans rely on will be on the mind of every voter by November. I know Democrats will do their part to make that so.

March 14, 2024 Mitchell Minute-Donald Trump is calling for cutting Social Security. This is generally, and misleadingly, referred to as entitlements. Social Security is not an entitlement. It is a forced savings program

And, why wouldn't Republicans want to run on cutting "entitlements"? After all, cutting government benefits for Americans is right up there with "fiscal responsibility", "fiscal conservatism", and "tax cuts for the wealthy pay for themselves" in the "conservative" Republican policy pantheon.

Let's hope this is as successful for you as GW Bush deciding that, fresh off winning the 2004 general, he decided he'd go all Republican on Social Security:

The 2004 election gave President George W. Bush a second term in office and expanded Republican majorities in both houses of Congress. So soon afterward, he pledged to spend the “political capital” he said he’d earned on a longtime conservative priority — the partial privatization of Social Security.

The effort failed. Despite those sizable GOP majorities and the president’s own barnstorming across the country to sell his proposal, creating private accounts for Social Security became so toxic that it was never brought to a vote in either the House or Senate.

Rather than ushering in a new era of Republican dominance, the fight rejuvenated the Democratic Party’s fortunes and helped pave the way to its takeover of Congress in the 2006 midterms...

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:04 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:09 pm Left and Right are nonsense terms. They have no meaning whatsoever.

But it's a simplistic way for us to crudely delineate a message board, so god damnit just give us that, MKay!

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:11 pm

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:53 pm Can't thank Trump enough for recently reminding us of something we already know about republicans, but that bears reminding Americans of just as we start the 2024 campaign season in earnest. That is, same as it ever was, republicans want to "reform", i.e., "cut", "entitlements" like Social Security and Medicare.

You go Donny! Have at it. Hopefully Republican plans to dismantle the social safety net Americans rely on will be on the mind of every voter by November. I know Democrats will do their part to make that so.

March 14, 2024 Mitchell Minute-Donald Trump is calling for cutting Social Security. This is generally, and misleadingly, referred to as entitlements. Social Security is not an entitlement. It is a forced savings program

And, why wouldn't Republicans want to run on cutting "entitlements"? After all, cutting government benefits for Americans is right up there with "fiscal responsibility", "fiscal conservatism", and "tax cuts for the wealthy pay for themselves" in the "conservative" Republican policy pantheon.

Let's hope this is as successful for you as GW Bush deciding that, fresh off winning the 2004 general, he decided he'd go all Republican on Social Security:

The 2004 election gave President George W. Bush a second term in office and expanded Republican majorities in both houses of Congress. So soon afterward, he pledged to spend the “political capital” he said he’d earned on a longtime conservative priority — the partial privatization of Social Security.

The effort failed. Despite those sizable GOP majorities and the president’s own barnstorming across the country to sell his proposal, creating private accounts for Social Security became so toxic that it was never brought to a vote in either the House or Senate.

Rather than ushering in a new era of Republican dominance, the fight rejuvenated the Democratic Party’s fortunes and helped pave the way to its takeover of Congress in the 2006 midterms...

Trumpty Dumpty gonna repeal Obumercare on day one of his second term and replace it with a beautiful new wonderful healthcare plan that everyone is going to love as much as they love their trumpty.

no, really, he has a plan this time, just elect him, and he will show it to you this time, and his tax returns

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:10 am

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:11 pm

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:53 pm Can't thank Trump enough for recently reminding us of something we already know about republicans, but that bears reminding Americans of just as we start the 2024 campaign season in earnest. That is, same as it ever was, republicans want to "reform", i.e., "cut", "entitlements" like Social Security and Medicare.

You go Donny! Have at it. Hopefully Republican plans to dismantle the social safety net Americans rely on will be on the mind of every voter by November. I know Democrats will do their part to make that so.

March 14, 2024 Mitchell Minute-Donald Trump is calling for cutting Social Security. This is generally, and misleadingly, referred to as entitlements. Social Security is not an entitlement. It is a forced savings program

And, why wouldn't Republicans want to run on cutting "entitlements"? After all, cutting government benefits for Americans is right up there with "fiscal responsibility", "fiscal conservatism", and "tax cuts for the wealthy pay for themselves" in the "conservative" Republican policy pantheon.

Let's hope this is as successful for you as GW Bush deciding that, fresh off winning the 2004 general, he decided he'd go all Republican on Social Security:

The 2004 election gave President George W. Bush a second term in office and expanded Republican majorities in both houses of Congress. So soon afterward, he pledged to spend the “political capital” he said he’d earned on a longtime conservative priority — the partial privatization of Social Security.

The effort failed. Despite those sizable GOP majorities and the president’s own barnstorming across the country to sell his proposal, creating private accounts for Social Security became so toxic that it was never brought to a vote in either the House or Senate.

Rather than ushering in a new era of Republican dominance, the fight rejuvenated the Democratic Party’s fortunes and helped pave the way to its takeover of Congress in the 2006 midterms...

Trumpty Dumpty gonna repeal Obumercare on day one of his second term and replace it with a beautiful new wonderful healthcare plan that everyone is going to love as much as they love their trumpty.

no, really, he has a plan this time, just elect him, and he will show it to you this time, and his tax returns

I mean, the other examples we have of how Trump would like to do things (see Orban) is that Trump would replace Obamacare with a forced choice of private options that are barely-indirectly cash transfers to insiders/affiliates/cronies.

japhy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:57 am Wait until you see his infrastructure plan!

He is a builder genius nobody knows infrastructure like he does people say he is a genius he will rebuild this country like no one ever has he will do it bigly.

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:59 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:10 am

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:11 pm

Trumpty Dumpty gonna repeal Obumercare on day one of his second term and replace it with a beautiful new wonderful healthcare plan that everyone is going to love as much as they love their trumpty.

no, really, he has a plan this time, just elect him, and he will show it to you this time, and his tax returns

I mean, the other examples we have of how Trump would like to do things (see Orban) is that Trump would replace Obamacare with a forced choice of private options that are barely-indirectly cash transfers to insiders/affiliates/cronies.

Just like TikTok

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:10 am

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:11 pm

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:53 pm Can't thank Trump enough for recently reminding us of something we already know about republicans, but that bears reminding Americans of just as we start the 2024 campaign season in earnest. That is, same as it ever was, republicans want to "reform", i.e., "cut", "entitlements" like Social Security and Medicare.

You go Donny! Have at it. Hopefully Republican plans to dismantle the social safety net Americans rely on will be on the mind of every voter by November. I know Democrats will do their part to make that so.

March 14, 2024 Mitchell Minute-Donald Trump is calling for cutting Social Security. This is generally, and misleadingly, referred to as entitlements. Social Security is not an entitlement. It is a forced savings program

And, why wouldn't Republicans want to run on cutting "entitlements"? After all, cutting government benefits for Americans is right up there with "fiscal responsibility", "fiscal conservatism", and "tax cuts for the wealthy pay for themselves" in the "conservative" Republican policy pantheon.

Let's hope this is as successful for you as GW Bush deciding that, fresh off winning the 2004 general, he decided he'd go all Republican on Social Security:

The 2004 election gave President George W. Bush a second term in office and expanded Republican majorities in both houses of Congress. So soon afterward, he pledged to spend the “political capital” he said he’d earned on a longtime conservative priority — the partial privatization of Social Security.

The effort failed. Despite those sizable GOP majorities and the president’s own barnstorming across the country to sell his proposal, creating private accounts for Social Security became so toxic that it was never brought to a vote in either the House or Senate.

Rather than ushering in a new era of Republican dominance, the fight rejuvenated the Democratic Party’s fortunes and helped pave the way to its takeover of Congress in the 2006 midterms...

Trumpty Dumpty gonna repeal Obumercare on day one of his second term and replace it with a beautiful new wonderful healthcare plan that everyone is going to love as much as they love their trumpty.

no, really, he has a plan this time, just elect him, and he will show it to you this time, and his tax returns

I mean, the other examples we have of how Trump would like to do things (see Orban) is that Trump would replace Obamacare with a forced choice of private options that are barely-indirectly cash transfers to insiders/affiliates/cronies.

Shirley wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:16 pm VP Harris makes blatant, urgent, wanton, desperate attempt to increase favorability rating among Hey Boomers:

“I cannot emphasize enough that they need to get to it as quickly as possible,” Marijuana Moment reported, quoting Harris, who was referring to the ongoing DEA review on cannabis scheduling.