KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:21 pm
the freedom to play G.I. Joe, basically, outweighs the freedom to live, go to school, go to the store, etc. without fear of being murdered
And again - just so we're being 100% clear - no serious person is seeking a comprehensive ban on guns.
We just keep getting told, over and over again, some combination of: (1) the Second Amendment guarantees a present-day right to buy, own and use assault rifles, (2) there would not actually be any utility to "contracting" otherwise (by our elected representatives codifying restrictions on the buying, owning and using of assault rifles).
1) mass shooting happens
2) Dems call for restrictions on the ability of disturbed people with ill intentions to not be able to buy AR15s and high capacity magazines so easily
3) GOPs scream about Dems trying to take away their guns/ban all gun sales
4) Conversation dissolves into stupidity
5) Repeat steps 1-4 every few weeks for what seems like it will be the rest of eternity
One of the truly confounding things is that 1/3 of the country more or less sees gun laws as PERMISSION structures: who am I allowed to shoot, when, and with what.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:37 pm
by KUTradition
the rittenhouse effect?
(though it’s obviously been around longer)
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:55 pm
by PhDhawk
Right. The number one sited reason for owning a firearm is personal protection. Which to me seems reasonable. But that's because I assume that personal protection means self defense, like literally, someone is trying to kill you and you use the weapon as a last resort. But then you find out that personal protection might mean protecting someone else's property as a justifiable reason to kill someone and then you realize not everyone is having the same conversation.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:05 pm
by jfish26
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:55 pm
Right. The number one sited reason for owning a firearm is personal protection. Which to me seems reasonable. But that's because I assume that personal protection means self defense, like literally, someone is trying to kill you and you use the weapon as a last resort. But then you find out that personal protection might mean protecting someone else's property as a justifiable reason to kill someone and then you realize not everyone is having the same conversation.
Yeah. The failure to pass laws that clarify that you don’t get to use self-defense as an affirmative defense if you put yourself into the situation…is quite a tell!
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:33 pm
by zsn
I wonder how long before Person A sees Person B carrying a firearm in the open in a State where it’s permitted, shoots Person B, and claims self defense or standing ground!
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:56 pm
by jfish26
zsn wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:33 pm
I wonder how long before Person A sees Person B carrying a firearm in the open in a State where it’s permitted, shoots Person B, and claims self defense or standing ground!
It depends on whether we will have yet reached the Magical Gun Equilibrium (being that special state of balance where there are exactly the right number of guns, such that gun violence is no more).
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:12 pm
by Shirley
Who knew SNL did documentaries?
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:47 pm
by jfish26
GOOD GUY WITH GUNS ALERT
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 9:29 pm
by PhDhawk
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:47 pm
GOOD GUY WITH GUNS ALERT
Classic case of personal protection to me. What, now you're gonna tell me you can't defend your driveway with deadly force?
And why wasn't she carrying? Nothing would be safer than for her to have returned a couple rounds.
KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:28 am
charges filed in the KC shooting
i guess going to the wrong address is now a potentially fatal mistake
smfh
Walking around while Black, and at night? What did he think would happen?
Bad parenting, until proven otherwise.
And gaming.
I am told that the nation's declining mental health is to blame.
^^^
And drag queens.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:15 am
by jfish26
Just wild to me that we will go to any length, spare no expense, to solve this problem…except by addressing the SINGLE biggest contributor to the problem.
