Where's the petri dish thread?

[jfish26]

I don't know - I don't think we should expend less-than-"a shitload of resources" toward therapeutics. Think of these things as capital investments, not unlike the Apollo program. We will derive tangible, lasting, pertinent benefit from figuring shit out about antivirals that we don't know now.

[PhDhawk]

I don't know - I don't think we should expend less-than-"a shitload of resources" toward therapeutics. Think of these things as capital investments, not unlike the Apollo program. We will derive tangible, lasting, pertinent benefit from figuring shit out about antivirals that we don't know now.

I'd say therapeutics are the next best thing to a vaccine.

Things that won't make a huge impact are finding creative ways for a restaurant to be safely at 35% capacity instead of 25%.

My point was, I don't understand poo-pooing the vaccine or how long it takes with the reason being 'we gotta get more people at work'. That's like jumping over a hundred dollar bill to grab a quarter.

[jfish26]

I don't know - I don't think we should expend less-than-"a shitload of resources" toward therapeutics. Think of these things as capital investments, not unlike the Apollo program. We will derive tangible, lasting, pertinent benefit from figuring shit out about antivirals that we don't know now.

I'd say therapeutics are the next best thing to a vaccine.

Things that won't make a huge impact are finding creative ways for a restaurant to be safely at 35% capacity instead of 25%.

My point was, I don't understand poo-pooing the vaccine or how long it takes with the reason being 'we gotta get more people at work'. That's like jumping over a hundred dollar bill to grab a quarter.

Right, gotcha. I think what the Gates Foundation is doing is about the most you can do - run trials in tandem rather than in order, even though it is highly inefficient.

[PhDhawk]

Yes, doing things in parallel will be wasteful for a vaccine that doesn't work, but the benefit for a vaccine that works will, by a long-shot, outweigh the cost. (In this case) It's a pretty smart gamble.

[jfish26]

Yes, doing things in parallel will be wasteful for a vaccine that doesn't work, but the benefit for a vaccine that works will, by a long-shot, outweigh the cost. (In this case) It's a pretty smart gamble.

Smart, and probably necessary to avoid a true depression.

[zsn]

Yes, doing things in parallel will be wasteful for a vaccine that doesn't work, but the benefit for a vaccine that works will, by a long-shot, outweigh the cost. (In this case) It's a pretty smart gamble.

Maybe this is a good opportunity for us to emphasize basic science education. Comparisons to the Apollo program are apt - much the same way many went into the physical sciences/engineering in the 60s a true resurgence of folks entering chemical/life sciences would be welcome and necessary to kick this virus.

[Deleted User 89]

Vaccines are not even half of the equation. One surefire way to stop these kinds of viruses is to stop the practice of what caused this pandemic in the first place. Much the same way we didn't say "well, open sewers and free-roaming rats are our way of life" following the plague we should rethink how and if to house and process animals for food. Just not eating bats is insufficient, as we found out with H1N1. After this SARS-CoV-2 being a more virulent incarnation of the earlier version does anyone believe that we won't have HxNx, a more virulent version of H1N1?

i’ll be shocked if we don’t have another outbreak of a similar pathogen

[jfish26]

Yes, doing things in parallel will be wasteful for a vaccine that doesn't work, but the benefit for a vaccine that works will, by a long-shot, outweigh the cost. (In this case) It's a pretty smart gamble.

Maybe this is a good opportunity for us to emphasize basic science education. Comparisons to the Apollo program are apt - much the same way many went into the physical sciences/engineering in the 60s a true resurgence of folks entering chemical/life sciences would be welcome and necessary to kick this virus.

And pay dividends for generations.

[DCHawk1]

Yes, doing things in parallel will be wasteful for a vaccine that doesn't work, but the benefit for a vaccine that works will, by a long-shot, outweigh the cost. (In this case) It's a pretty smart gamble.

Maybe this is a good opportunity for us to emphasize basic science education. Comparisons to the Apollo program are apt - much the same way many went into the physical sciences/engineering in the 60s a true resurgence of folks entering chemical/life sciences would be welcome and necessary to kick this virus.

And pay dividends for generations.

I'm all for "basic science education," but the real world tends to get in the way of noble intentions.

And Apollo was staffed by Nazis.

[seahawk]

Yes, doing things in parallel will be wasteful for a vaccine that doesn't work, but the benefit for a vaccine that works will, by a long-shot, outweigh the cost. (In this case) It's a pretty smart gamble.

Maybe this is a good opportunity for us to emphasize basic science education. Comparisons to the Apollo program are apt - much the same way many went into the physical sciences/engineering in the 60s a true resurgence of folks entering chemical/life sciences would be welcome and necessary to kick this virus.

A distant cousin of my husband, who was an engineer and in the oil business for awhile and then taught in high school at the end of his career talked about the lack of interest by American kids in the sciences and I've thought of the same thing, zsn, remembering the Sputnik area and how kids were encouraged toward careers in the physical sciences, partly because of the excitement around all the space programs.

[zsn]

I'm all for "basic science education," but the real world tends to get in the way of noble intentions.

And Apollo was staffed by Nazis.

I seriously doubt that anyone who went into science and engineering in the 60s and 70s, upon being inspired by the Apollo program, were Nazis......unless you know some of them personally, and/or have spotted them attending MAGA rallies ("very fine people!").

FWIW, the VW Beetle was a Nazi creation, designed by Ferdinand Porsche!

[TDub]

Vaccines are not even half of the equation. One surefire way to stop these kinds of viruses is to stop the practice of what caused this pandemic in the first place. Much the same way we didn't say "well, open sewers and free-roaming rats are our way of life" following the plague we should rethink how and if to house and process animals for food. Just not eating bats is insufficient, as we found out with H1N1. After this SARS-CoV-2 being a more virulent incarnation of the earlier version does anyone believe that we won't have HxNx, a more virulent version of H1N1?

https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2 ... udy-claims

Meats good for your mental health. Take that vegetarians.

[DCHawk1]

I'm all for "basic science education," but the real world tends to get in the way of noble intentions.

And Apollo was staffed by Nazis.

I seriously doubt that anyone who went into science and engineering in the 60s and 70s, upon being inspired by the Apollo program, were Nazis......unless you know some of them personally, and/or have spotted them attending MAGA rallies ("very fine people!").

FWIW, the VW Beetle was a Nazi creation, designed by Ferdinand Porsche!

Yeah, I get it. Orangeman Bad.

O'course it was a Democrat -- Truman -- who authorized the covert relocation of nearly 1200 Nazi scientists to the United States to work on rocket/missile programs. Von Braun and Rudolph were probably disappointed that they couldn't pick out their workers from a camp, like at Mittelbau-Dora, but they nevertheless made due.

[Deleted User 289]

I'm all for "basic science education," but the real world tends to get in the way of noble intentions.

And Apollo was staffed by Nazis.

I seriously doubt that anyone who went into science and engineering in the 60s and 70s, upon being inspired by the Apollo program, were Nazis......unless you know some of them personally, and/or have spotted them attending MAGA rallies ("very fine people!").

FWIW, the VW Beetle was a Nazi creation, designed by Ferdinand Porsche!

Yeah, I get it. Orangeman Bad.

O'course it was a Democrat -- Truman -- who authorized the covert relocation of nearly 1200 Nazi scientists to the United States to work on rocket/missile programs. Von Braun and Rudolph were probably disappointed that they couldn't pick out their workers from a camp, like at Mittelbau-Dora, but they nevertheless made due.

never-mind

[zsn]

Again, to reiterate, I seriously doubt that anyone who went into science and engineering in the 60s and 70s, upon being inspired by the Apollo program, were Nazis**. Many were likely not even born prior to the end of WWII - a high-school student in 1960 who elected to study math and physics was likely born in 1945 or later.

**Unless they became one later........

[HouseDivided]

I'm all for "basic science education," but the real world tends to get in the way of noble intentions.

And Apollo was staffed by Nazis.

I seriously doubt that anyone who went into science and engineering in the 60s and 70s, upon being inspired by the Apollo program, were Nazis......unless you know some of them personally, and/or have spotted them attending MAGA rallies ("very fine people!").

FWIW, the VW Beetle was a Nazi creation, designed by Ferdinand Porsche!

Yeah, I get it. Orangeman Bad.

O'course it was a Democrat -- Truman -- who authorized the covert relocation of nearly 1200 Nazi scientists to the United States to work on rocket/missile programs. Von Braun and Rudolph were probably disappointed that they couldn't pick out their workers from a camp, like at Mittelbau-Dora, but they nevertheless made due.

Operation Paperclip, no?

[Geezer]

DC what would you have done? Let them all go to Moscow?

[Deleted User 89]

um...

[TDub]

Hmmm What?

[TDub]

https://www.europeanscientist.com/en/bi ... etic-code/


Appears to be untrue. Thankfully