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I'd say therapeutics are the next best thing to a vaccine.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 12:42 pm I don't know - I don't think we should expend less-than-"a shitload of resources" toward therapeutics. Think of these things as capital investments, not unlike the Apollo program. We will derive tangible, lasting, pertinent benefit from figuring shit out about antivirals that we don't know now.
Right, gotcha. I think what the Gates Foundation is doing is about the most you can do - run trials in tandem rather than in order, even though it is highly inefficient.PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 12:46 pmI'd say therapeutics are the next best thing to a vaccine.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 12:42 pm I don't know - I don't think we should expend less-than-"a shitload of resources" toward therapeutics. Think of these things as capital investments, not unlike the Apollo program. We will derive tangible, lasting, pertinent benefit from figuring shit out about antivirals that we don't know now.
Things that won't make a huge impact are finding creative ways for a restaurant to be safely at 35% capacity instead of 25%.
My point was, I don't understand poo-pooing the vaccine or how long it takes with the reason being 'we gotta get more people at work'. That's like jumping over a hundred dollar bill to grab a quarter.
Smart, and probably necessary to avoid a true depression.
Maybe this is a good opportunity for us to emphasize basic science education. Comparisons to the Apollo program are apt - much the same way many went into the physical sciences/engineering in the 60s a true resurgence of folks entering chemical/life sciences would be welcome and necessary to kick this virus.
i’ll be shocked if we don’t have another outbreak of a similar pathogenzsn wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 12:41 pm Vaccines are not even half of the equation. One surefire way to stop these kinds of viruses is to stop the practice of what caused this pandemic in the first place. Much the same way we didn't say "well, open sewers and free-roaming rats are our way of life" following the plague we should rethink how and if to house and process animals for food. Just not eating bats is insufficient, as we found out with H1N1. After this SARS-CoV-2 being a more virulent incarnation of the earlier version does anyone believe that we won't have HxNx, a more virulent version of H1N1?
And pay dividends for generations.zsn wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 1:44 pmMaybe this is a good opportunity for us to emphasize basic science education. Comparisons to the Apollo program are apt - much the same way many went into the physical sciences/engineering in the 60s a true resurgence of folks entering chemical/life sciences would be welcome and necessary to kick this virus.
I'm all for "basic science education," but the real world tends to get in the way of noble intentions.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 3:56 pmAnd pay dividends for generations.zsn wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 1:44 pmMaybe this is a good opportunity for us to emphasize basic science education. Comparisons to the Apollo program are apt - much the same way many went into the physical sciences/engineering in the 60s a true resurgence of folks entering chemical/life sciences would be welcome and necessary to kick this virus.
A distant cousin of my husband, who was an engineer and in the oil business for awhile and then taught in high school at the end of his career talked about the lack of interest by American kids in the sciences and I've thought of the same thing, zsn, remembering the Sputnik area and how kids were encouraged toward careers in the physical sciences, partly because of the excitement around all the space programs.zsn wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 1:44 pmMaybe this is a good opportunity for us to emphasize basic science education. Comparisons to the Apollo program are apt - much the same way many went into the physical sciences/engineering in the 60s a true resurgence of folks entering chemical/life sciences would be welcome and necessary to kick this virus.
I seriously doubt that anyone who went into science and engineering in the 60s and 70s, upon being inspired by the Apollo program, were Nazis......unless you know some of them personally, and/or have spotted them attending MAGA rallies ("very fine people!").
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2 ... udy-claimszsn wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 12:41 pm Vaccines are not even half of the equation. One surefire way to stop these kinds of viruses is to stop the practice of what caused this pandemic in the first place. Much the same way we didn't say "well, open sewers and free-roaming rats are our way of life" following the plague we should rethink how and if to house and process animals for food. Just not eating bats is insufficient, as we found out with H1N1. After this SARS-CoV-2 being a more virulent incarnation of the earlier version does anyone believe that we won't have HxNx, a more virulent version of H1N1?
Yeah, I get it. Orangeman Bad.zsn wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 5:10 pmI seriously doubt that anyone who went into science and engineering in the 60s and 70s, upon being inspired by the Apollo program, were Nazis......unless you know some of them personally, and/or have spotted them attending MAGA rallies ("very fine people!").
FWIW, the VW Beetle was a Nazi creation, designed by Ferdinand Porsche!
never-mindDCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 5:33 pmYeah, I get it. Orangeman Bad.zsn wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 5:10 pmI seriously doubt that anyone who went into science and engineering in the 60s and 70s, upon being inspired by the Apollo program, were Nazis......unless you know some of them personally, and/or have spotted them attending MAGA rallies ("very fine people!").
FWIW, the VW Beetle was a Nazi creation, designed by Ferdinand Porsche!
O'course it was a Democrat -- Truman -- who authorized the covert relocation of nearly 1200 Nazi scientists to the United States to work on rocket/missile programs. Von Braun and Rudolph were probably disappointed that they couldn't pick out their workers from a camp, like at Mittelbau-Dora, but they nevertheless made due.
Operation Paperclip, no?DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 5:33 pmYeah, I get it. Orangeman Bad.zsn wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 5:10 pmI seriously doubt that anyone who went into science and engineering in the 60s and 70s, upon being inspired by the Apollo program, were Nazis......unless you know some of them personally, and/or have spotted them attending MAGA rallies ("very fine people!").
FWIW, the VW Beetle was a Nazi creation, designed by Ferdinand Porsche!
O'course it was a Democrat -- Truman -- who authorized the covert relocation of nearly 1200 Nazi scientists to the United States to work on rocket/missile programs. Von Braun and Rudolph were probably disappointed that they couldn't pick out their workers from a camp, like at Mittelbau-Dora, but they nevertheless made due.
TDub wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 7:29 pm https://www.europeanscientist.com/en/bi ... etic-code/
Appears to be untrue. Thankfully