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NiceDC wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:13 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:08 am I believe that, as incapacitated as he is (and with math never being a strong suit), and as surrounded by sycophants and weasels as he is, he truly thinks he can only lose if there's fraud, a plot against him.

I disagree with this. I think he has always gotten through business by paling around and bluster. I think he understand how much he's behind the eight ball, and is trying to shore up support with the strong talk.

I also have been watching his 5:30 "pressers" and he does not look like someone enjoying himself up there, especially since he already signaled that there will be no new rallies before the election. He literally has nothing to fight for, except "not to lose." The fact he has also been going to Bedminster more, I really don't know if he campaigns past labor day.

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Respectfully yours,

John Nagl and Paul Yingling

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Paul Yingling, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel, served three tours in Iraq, another in Bosnia, and a fifth in Operation Desert Storm.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:29 am Sure - and what happens when Trump says "fake news?"

NiceDC wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:31 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:29 am Sure - and what happens when Trump says "fake news?"

I mean, who is he talking to? Pelosi is the president, and she commands the army. I think our military and Secret Service is less of a junta than some think. No one wants to go to treason prison for Trump.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:08 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:02 am He seems to be proud of the steps he is taking to rig this election.

I believe that, as incapacitated as he is (and with math never being a strong suit), and as surrounded by sycophants and weasels as he is, he truly thinks he can only lose if there's fraud, a plot against him.

So he views shit like this as right and noble.

The time to reason with him is long gone. It's not possible to get someone close to him to change his course, either.

The remedy is in local, state and national legislative bodies.

And in turning out in such overwhelming numbers that a state or two can't flip the results.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:42 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:08 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:02 am He seems to be proud of the steps he is taking to rig this election.

I believe that, as incapacitated as he is (and with math never being a strong suit), and as surrounded by sycophants and weasels as he is, he truly thinks he can only lose if there's fraud, a plot against him.

So he views shit like this as right and noble.

The time to reason with him is long gone. It's not possible to get someone close to him to change his course, either.

The remedy is in local, state and national legislative bodies.

And in turning out in such overwhelming numbers that a state or two can't flip the results.

We need citizens at every polling location ensuring that the rules are followed and we need the Dems to force funding of the USPS to be included in this next stimulus agreement instead of giving more money to the military.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:00 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:42 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:08 am

I believe that, as incapacitated as he is (and with math never being a strong suit), and as surrounded by sycophants and weasels as he is, he truly thinks he can only lose if there's fraud, a plot against him.

So he views shit like this as right and noble.

The time to reason with him is long gone. It's not possible to get someone close to him to change his course, either.

The remedy is in local, state and national legislative bodies.

And in turning out in such overwhelming numbers that a state or two can't flip the results.

We need citizens at every polling location ensuring that the rules are followed and we need the Dems to force funding of the USPS to be included in this next stimulus agreement instead of giving more money to the military.

I also think that, if you aren't in an at-risk group, you need to try to vote in person. Reduce the strain on USPS as much as possible.

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:46 am I dont have a choice. Oregon is exclusively vote by mail

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:41 am I always vote by mail.

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:46 am I dont have a choice. Oregon is exclusively vote by mail

Grandma wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:59 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:41 am I always vote by mail.

Can/will you please tell me why.

Grandma wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:04 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:46 am I dont have a choice. Oregon is exclusively vote by mail

I honestly didn't know that and was shocked to read it.
Obviously I don't know the reason why that is. Is there a good reason for it?

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:13 am

Grandma wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:59 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:41 am I always vote by mail.

Can/will you please tell me why.

It is easier.

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:25 am

Grandma wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:04 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:46 am I dont have a choice. Oregon is exclusively vote by mail

I honestly didn't know that and was shocked to read it.
Obviously I don't know the reason why that is. Is there a good reason for it?

In sure someone had a reason. I prefer voting in person