Kansas Crimson

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:30 pm So PDub starts a thread and immediately locks it.

I was getting dinner on the table and missed most of the 2nd half. I did see Dave get an offensive foul, but it looked to me like he pushed off with his elbow. Is that what everyone is whining about or was there something else.

Ima pin it for y'all.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:37 pm It sure was. An elbow to the chest with an arm extension is as textbook as it comes to a post offensive foul.

When it extends it's almost always automatic.

Looked like a foul to me. Extended the arm to push off

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:32 pm I think a feed to Dave there was ok but there should have been a cut or a play to pass out.

Dont pass to him so far away from the basket from the baseline.

Not an offensive foul thoygh.

But, we're in Dave's fourth season. He does not pass it back out.

I don’t think that was a drawn up play.

I think everyone was gassed, and Dave was the only one calling for it while our best players were sucking air on the weak side

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:43 pm I don’t think that was a drawn up play.

I think everyone was gassed, and Dave was the only one calling for it while our best players were sucking air on the weak side

It was quite clearly a drawn up play. You can't possibly be serious.

We cleared out, put our shooters on the perimeter, and had our best post feeder CB get it to Dave.

It was a lazy, arrogant, stubborn call by Self. He did it to try to boost Dave. And it cost us the game. The intention was good and pure, but you should play to win the game.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:39 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:32 pm I think a feed to Dave there was ok but there should have been a cut or a play to pass out.

Dont pass to him so far away from the basket from the baseline.

Not an offensive foul thoygh.

But, we're in Dave's fourth season. He does not pass it back out.

Well he doesn't need to be fed there unless hes established himself. Refs first, Self second then somewhere with Dave and the entry passer.

There were two defenders there when the pass came in.

We usually run plays with a few different options. Dave fit into the progression somewhere, and I guess you could argue he shouldn't have been in the progression at all.

I would have just given Remy the ball from the beginning and dribbled the shot clock to 8 with an Och option in there somewhere after that.

Also, first question of the presser:

Self confirms he was trying to get the ball to Dave. Yuck.

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kuspor ... chai-agba/

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:48 pm
I would have just given Remy the ball from the beginning and dribbled the shot clock to 8 with an Och option in there somewhere after that.

I thought this was the whole reason we brought Remy in, yet here we are again

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:52 pm Also, first question of the presser:

Self confirms he was trying to get the ball to Dave. Yuck.

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kuspor ... chai-agba/

Where’s the Fire Bill Self thread?

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:52 pm Also, first question of the presser:

Self confirms he was trying to get the ball to Dave. Yuck.

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/kuspor ... chai-agba/

"Duck him in or get him fouled... one person ran to the wrong spot"

Wondering if the wrong spot person was Remy?

Either way, that confirms it was a lazy stubborn arrogant play call.

All the fucking plays we have for easy back door lobs, etc and we choose that. Dump to Dave and pray for a foul.

Fuck me.

Someone prob did bc there were two guys on him before the refs blew the call.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:43 pm I don’t think that was a drawn up play.

I think everyone was gassed, and Dave was the only one calling for it while our best players were sucking air on the weak side

When you have a roster this deep, this just never gets to be the excuse.

Ochai’s normally one of the highest fliers in the country, but he almost didn’t even get it over the rim on that fast break dunk late

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:04 pm Ochai’s normally one of the highest fliers in the country, but he almost didn’t even get it over the rim on that fast break dunk late

Because he missed timed his steps. He was preparing for razzle dazzle. That's why it ended in a left handed dunk instead of something flashy.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:04 pm Ochai’s normally one of the highest fliers in the country, but he almost didn’t even get it over the rim on that fast break dunk late

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying it should never be the case. That's on Self.

He def could have managed rotations better.

But this is also our first back to back game of the year, first tournament style atmosphere, and with new players trying to figure out roles.

Rather have the wake up calls now than later.

How many back to backs ha Dayton played?

They looked pretty fresh.

So much of this game boils down to bad Dave, though.

That guy should be double digits, at the bare minimum, every night.

He certainly had enough good looks in this game to get there.

He also only had 1 defensive rebound. Get his head right--his legacy is a lot on the line.