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Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:41 pm
by PhDhawk
pdub wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:27 pm
I agree Braun should shoot more.
Not sure if that's on Self - Self wants him to.
McCormack isn't the focal point of this team. But he is important to attack the post so that it can free the perimeter. It is a basic concept.
I agree completely. But EVERY coach knows that you simply double team him and it nullifies him.
Self does him no favors by telegraphing that we're gonna force it in to the post.
And as others have said, playing Harris and Dave is a de facto permanent double team.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:47 pm
by pdub
I don't agree it nullifies him.
His first play was a good assist when he was doubled.
He threw another pass out of a double but Ochai missed a wide open 3.
He's definitely not good enough to consistently score out of a double.
But he's the only guy on our team that teams double.
So that alone means something.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:48 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
Teams just have to double/dig down off of Harris. Pretty easy.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:50 pm
by pdub
That also may be why you often see Braun trying to feed the post ( though I think generally Braun is good at that entry pass ) because his guy actually has to close on him.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:51 pm
by Deleted User 863
Harris is shooting over 30% from 3pt. There have been plenty of times this year where our offense looked best with him ON the court.
Not sure what the answer was tonight becuase Remy and Yesufu were as bad or worse than DH.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:53 pm
by sdoyel
Harris thrives in uptempo games. In a half court setting he’s a hindrance.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:54 pm
by PhDhawk
pdub wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:47 pm
I don't agree it nullifies him.
His first play was a good assist when he was doubled.
He threw another pass out of a double but Ochai missed a wide open 3.
He's definitely not good enough to consistently score out of a double.
But he's the only guy on our team that teams double.
So that alone means something.
Well the blueprint for Dave is to double him. It's not 100% effective, but it's pretty clear that's the way to defend Dave.
And you're right. NO ONE doubles mitch.
good Dave is all conference bad Dave is the other team's best player. That's why doubling him is so effective. Doubling Dave turns good Dave into bad dave.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:55 pm
by PhDhawk
sdoyel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:53 pm
Harris thrives in uptempo games. In a half court setting he’s a hindrance.
One more reason we gotta run.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:55 pm
by sdoyel
We spend way too much time on this.
Our best players should carry us. And it ain’t Dave!
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:56 pm
by PhDhawk
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:51 pm
Harris is shooting over 30% from 3pt. There have been plenty of times this year where our offense looked best with him ON the court.
Not sure what the answer was tonight becuase Remy and Yesufu were as bad or worse than DH.
Increase tempo and ball movement.
Have Harris initiate where we want instead of 35 feet from the basket.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:56 pm
by pdub
No one said it was.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:00 pm
by twocoach
sdoyel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:37 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:29 pm
sdoyel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:58 pm
Who was the starting center(s) for Villanova when they won 2 NC?
In 18 it was Eric Paschall, who is now in his 3rd NBA season.
But isnt a traditional center! He’s 6’-6”!
I would trade DMac, Mitch and Clemence for a 6'6" big who can guard and hit threes well enough to play in the NBA.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:00 pm
by pdub
Dave should be our third option.
I think hes a very good option in half court sets generally. Guy has hit 53 percent of his FGs in his career. And when hes on, hes on.
He shot three shots tonight and doyel is acting like hes the reason we lost.
But yes to running.
Go, go, go in transition and if that doesn't work, then establish your set, which means hopefully good Dave collapses the defense enough to give Ochai, Wilson and Braun more room.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:00 pm
by twocoach
Maybe KU should just play more aggressively and guard better?
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:01 pm
by twocoach
Down goes ISU. Tough on the road in the Big 12
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:08 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:00 pm
Maybe KU should just play more aggressively and guard better?
Playing harder does solve some problems, but being so easy to guard in the half court is worrisome. You could see it in noncon, but it wasn't getting exposed so much by mediocre opponents.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:10 pm
by PhDhawk
pdub wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:00 pm
Dave should be our third option.
I think hes a very good option in half court sets generally. Guy has hit 53 percent of his FGs in his career. And when hes on, hes on.
He shot three shots tonight and doyel is acting like hes the reason we lost.
But yes to running.
Go, go, go in transition and if that doesn't work, then establish your set, which means hopefully good Dave collapses the defense enough to give Ochai, Wilson and Braun more room.
We need to be more creative in the half court though. We're predictable and that makes us easier to defend.
Put och or Braun in the post depending on matchup. More screen and roll when Dave and Harris are in together, have the guy who passed to the post cut hard to a spot.....
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:13 pm
by pdub
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:00 pm
Maybe KU should just play more aggressively and guard better?
There we go.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:15 pm
by pdub
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:10 pm
pdub wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:00 pm
Dave should be our third option.
I think hes a very good option in half court sets generally. Guy has hit 53 percent of his FGs in his career. And when hes on, hes on.
He shot three shots tonight and doyel is acting like hes the reason we lost.
But yes to running.
Go, go, go in transition and if that doesn't work, then establish your set, which means hopefully good Dave collapses the defense enough to give Ochai, Wilson and Braun more room.
We need to be more creative in the half court though. We're predictable and that makes us easier to defend.
Put och or Braun in the post depending on matchup. More screen and roll when Dave and Harris are in together, have the guy who passed to the post cut hard to a spot.....
Agree.
Woulda liked to see a lob set or two for Ochai. Or anyone.
Re: Official Gamethread at TT
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:17 pm
by pdub
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:00 pm
sdoyel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:37 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:29 pm
In 18 it was Eric Paschall, who is now in his 3rd NBA season.
But isnt a traditional center! He’s 6’-6”!
I would trade DMac, Mitch and Clemence for a 6'6" big who can guard and hit threes well enough to play in the NBA.
I wouldn't a. Because of Dave's B12 play last season and b. I think Clemence is gonna be really good eventually.
