Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:31 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:13 am He's not totally wrong. The high end players are not there to be students. At all.

Although, that's not something that was created with NIL.

No. And it also just does not matter. Was anyone else's KU experience ruined because I took a couple check-the-box classes outside my major pass/fail, and completely mailed it in? No. Nope.

Anyone who takes it personally that the basketball players aren't there for Western Civ II is absolutely choosing to be offended by it.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:31 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:13 am He's not totally wrong. The high end players are not there to be students. At all.

Although, that's not something that was created with NIL.

No. And it also just does not matter. Was anyone else's KU experience ruined because I took a couple check-the-box classes outside my major pass/fail, and completely mailed it in? No. Nope.

Anyone who takes it personally that the basketball players aren't there for Western Civ II is absolutely choosing to be offended by it.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:51 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:55 pm "school"

I showed up for a final in a math class and panicked that I might be in the wrong place because there were so many people there I had never seen before. There were clearly regular students who didn't take their schooling very seriously. The notion that the current academic situation is unique to today or to athletics is simply choosing to be ignorant.

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:50 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:31 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:13 am He's not totally wrong. The high end players are not there to be students. At all.

Although, that's not something that was created with NIL.

No. And it also just does not matter. Was anyone else's KU experience ruined because I took a couple check-the-box classes outside my major pass/fail, and completely mailed it in? No. Nope.

Anyone who takes it personally that the basketball players aren't there for Western Civ II is absolutely choosing to be offended by it.

Next you'll tell me some students who take Western Civ only read the condensed summaries? My God. I wish I had a dime for every time Epictetus came up at work.

hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:04 pm agree, a college degree has long been more a matter of perseverance than intelligence.

as for earlier, i believe that the facade of tying academics to (otherwise entirely independent) athletic programs has a profound effect on everyone's college experience, as it plays a part in everything from outlandish tuition rates to disparate access to resources (which are in part funded by tuition) to the erosion of benefits for faculty (which itself leads to deterioration of the education we all paid for).

or maybe everything <i>is</i> just better than it was before, and this post belongs on a poli-board, lol. i digress.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:08 pm I had class with several KU athletes, the most memorable being Aqib Talib and Brandon Rush. Aqib showed up on the 1st day of class and for the final. Rush was an every 3rd class or so attendee. Granted, I don't recall these being attendance-required classes.

I had friends that were student-athletes for non-revenue sports. Great students, successful professionals now.

This was also 15-some years ago, so it could be way different now being a completely different department now. Wife has recently had cheerleaders at KU as students but no athletes. Also good students.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:14 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:08 pm I had class with several KU athletes, the most memorable being Aqib Talib and Brandon Rush. Aqib showed up on the 1st day of class and for the final. Rush was an every 3rd class or so attendee. Granted, I don't recall these being attendance-required classes.

I had friends that were student-athletes for non-revenue sports. Great students, successful professionals now.

This was also 15-some years ago, so it could be way different now being a completely different department now. Wife has recently had cheerleaders at KU as students but no athletes. Also good students.

Right - so the athletes are just like everyone else. Some care about the material. Some don’t. Some are driven to get great grades. Some aren’t.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:12 pm

hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:04 pm agree, a college degree has long been more a matter of perseverance than intelligence.

as for earlier, i believe that the facade of tying academics to (otherwise entirely independent) athletic programs has a profound effect on everyone's college experience, as it plays a part in everything from outlandish tuition rates to disparate access to resources (which are in part funded by tuition) to the erosion of benefits for faculty (which itself leads to deterioration of the education we all paid for).

or maybe everything <i>is</i> just better than it was before, and this post belongs on a poli-board, lol. i digress.

I don't know about every school, but the P5's like KU, the student-athlete scholarships don't seem to come from the school's general fund, but rather from the for-profit athletic departments' raised funds.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:20 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:12 pm

hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:04 pm agree, a college degree has long been more a matter of perseverance than intelligence.

as for earlier, i believe that the facade of tying academics to (otherwise entirely independent) athletic programs has a profound effect on everyone's college experience, as it plays a part in everything from outlandish tuition rates to disparate access to resources (which are in part funded by tuition) to the erosion of benefits for faculty (which itself leads to deterioration of the education we all paid for).

or maybe everything <i>is</i> just better than it was before, and this post belongs on a poli-board, lol. i digress.

I don't know about every school, but the P5's like KU, the student-athlete scholarships don't seem to come from the school's general fund, but rather from the for-profit athletic departments' raised funds.

I'm at a smaller school now, but athletics are still a big deal.

At a meeting where I was informed no faculty would receive raises because the governor had frozen tuition. I was unironicaly informed with great excitement about the new $250,000 marching band practice field.

The accounts are non-fungible.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:23 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:20 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:12 pm

I don't know about every school, but the P5's like KU, the student-athlete scholarships don't seem to come from the school's general fund, but rather from the for-profit athletic departments' raised funds.

I'm at a smaller school now, but athletics are still a big deal.

At a meeting where I was informed no faculty would receive raises because the governor had frozen tuition. I was unironicaly informed with great excitement about the new $250,000 marching band practice field.

The accounts are non-fungible.

Same meeting, yikes. Just rip off that band-aid.

And, I'm a little curious about the donor(s) that earmarks 1/4 million dollars for the marching band at a small school. Powerful band donors.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:23 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:20 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:12 pm

I don't know about every school, but the P5's like KU, the student-athlete scholarships don't seem to come from the school's general fund, but rather from the for-profit athletic departments' raised funds.

I'm at a smaller school now, but athletics are still a big deal.

At a meeting where I was informed no faculty would receive raises because the governor had frozen tuition. I was unironicaly informed with great excitement about the new $250,000 marching band practice field.

The accounts are non-fungible.

Same meeting, yikes. Just rip off that band-aid.

And, I'm a little curious about the donor(s) that earmarks 1/4 million dollars for the marching band at a small school. Powerful band donors.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:20 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:12 pm

hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:04 pm agree, a college degree has long been more a matter of perseverance than intelligence.

as for earlier, i believe that the facade of tying academics to (otherwise entirely independent) athletic programs has a profound effect on everyone's college experience, as it plays a part in everything from outlandish tuition rates to disparate access to resources (which are in part funded by tuition) to the erosion of benefits for faculty (which itself leads to deterioration of the education we all paid for).

or maybe everything <i>is</i> just better than it was before, and this post belongs on a poli-board, lol. i digress.

I don't know about every school, but the P5's like KU, the student-athlete scholarships don't seem to come from the school's general fund, but rather from the for-profit athletic departments' raised funds.

I'm at a smaller school now, but athletics are still a big deal.

At a meeting where I was informed no faculty would receive raises because the governor had frozen tuition. I was unironicaly informed with great excitement about the new $250,000 marching band practice field.

The accounts are non-fungible.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:31 pm Not how things work.