Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 12:01 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:48 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:40 am

“[the rustling of a light breeze]”

- tens of thousands of Ukrainians who were alive two years ago

It’s awful!

But know what’s even more awful?

Thinking the solution to all this fighting is more fighting.

For that matter, there were tens of thousands more Ukrainians who alive ten years ago, before NATO staged a right wing coup and flooded the place with weapons, yet you didn’t give a shit about them, I guess cuz the war machine propaganda didn’t tell you to yet.

The ONLY relevant person who thinks the solution to all this fighting is more fighting, is Putin. The fighting would stop if Putin would simply leave Ukraine.

easy....youre gonna get called nasty names and reported.

https://x.com/iaponomarenko/status/1710 ... PzNG4aOfKQ

Vladimir Putin, Oct. 5, 2023: "...if Western defense supplies are terminated tomorrow, Ukraine will have a week left to live as it runs out of ammunition."
Any more questions regarding Russia's intentions and negotiability on Ukraine?

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:57 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:48 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:40 am

“[the rustling of a light breeze]”

- tens of thousands of Ukrainians who were alive two years ago

It’s awful!

But know what’s even more awful?

Thinking the solution to all this fighting is more fighting.

For that matter, there were tens of thousands more Ukrainians who alive ten years ago, before NATO staged a right wing coup and flooded the place with weapons, yet you didn’t give a shit about them, I guess cuz the war machine propaganda didn’t tell you to yet.

fuck off, seriously

did you give a fuck about Ukraine in 2014? or Georgia in 2008?

your lack of appreciation for, or knowledge of, history in that part of the world makes you look like a clown

but don’t let that stop you…

That hurts bro.

Fwiw I dunno if anyone really cared about Ukraine or goergia then.

But, it seems at the very least chicken/egg, if not deliberately provoked, whether Russia unilaterally invaded, or nato was fucking around there first.

If Russia staged a coup in Mexico it’s not like we’d just sit idly and let it slide.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 12:01 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:48 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:40 am

“[the rustling of a light breeze]”

- tens of thousands of Ukrainians who were alive two years ago

It’s awful!

But know what’s even more awful?

Thinking the solution to all this fighting is more fighting.

For that matter, there were tens of thousands more Ukrainians who alive ten years ago, before NATO staged a right wing coup and flooded the place with weapons, yet you didn’t give a shit about them, I guess cuz the war machine propaganda didn’t tell you to yet.

The ONLY relevant person who thinks the solution to all this fighting is more fighting, is Putin. The fighting would stop if Putin would simply leave Ukraine.

Dude, western leaders were OuTrAGeD that Macron had the audacity to talk to him. Yet another point you’re willfully avoiding!

put up or shut up

where is the evidence that the US or any other NATO member staged the Maidan Revolution “coup”

i’ve looked, and have found nothing

provide the evidence, or kindly fuck off

Well, hard proof is hard to come by with these things, Especially when still unfolding.

But, evidence?

Among other points I’ve shared that you fail to recall, McCain and Biden were parading around Ukraine holding pep rallies in the immediate aftermath.

You think they’d do that if they didn’t think the coup was on our side?

And, the bigger picture evidence. The US has staged dozens of coups. It’s sort of our thing! Plus, we’ve fucked around in Ukraine for decades, too.

don’t you find it at all convenient that as soon as the Maidan Revolution occurred, moscow immediately blaming the US and NATO (like, within days, i believe)…but have provided zero evidence?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 1:48 pm Well, hard proof is hard to come by with these things.

But, evidence?

Among other points I’ve shared that you fail to recall, McCain and Biden were parading around Ukraine holding pep rallies in the immediate aftermath.

You think they’d do that if they didn’t think the coup was on our side?

And, the bigger picture evidence. The US has staged dozens of coups. It’s sort of our thing! Plus, we’ve fucked around in Ukraine for decades, too.

seriously?

gtfo

Do you really expect the US to just come out and be like “yea we staged another coup lol #yolo”

BTW that Russian invasion of Crimea happened after the coup was staged. Who knows whether they woulda still done it otherwise.

keep diggin’

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 1:49 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 1:48 pm Well, hard proof is hard to come by with these things.

But, evidence?

Among other points I’ve shared that you fail to recall, McCain and Biden were parading around Ukraine holding pep rallies in the immediate aftermath.

You think they’d do that if they didn’t think the coup was on our side?

And, the bigger picture evidence. The US has staged dozens of coups. It’s sort of our thing! Plus, we’ve fucked around in Ukraine for decades, too.

seriously?

gtfo

If a coup went down in Mexico, and no one took responsibility for it, but Putin was parading around Mexico afterward, what would you think?

depends where in mexico and what time of year

if we can’t start with an agreed upon set of actual objective facts, this conversation will continue to go nowhere

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 1:45 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 12:01 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:48 am

It’s awful!

But know what’s even more awful?

Thinking the solution to all this fighting is more fighting.

For that matter, there were tens of thousands more Ukrainians who alive ten years ago, before NATO staged a right wing coup and flooded the place with weapons, yet you didn’t give a shit about them, I guess cuz the war machine propaganda didn’t tell you to yet.

The ONLY relevant person who thinks the solution to all this fighting is more fighting, is Putin. The fighting would stop if Putin would simply leave Ukraine.

Dude, western leaders were OuTrAGeD that Macron had the audacity to talk to him. Yet another point you’re willfully avoiding!

An Apollo 13 quote comes to mind, as to your general thing here: "We are on number eight. You're talking about number six hundred ninety-two."

The person with the most power, in the entire world, to end the fighting right now, could do so very easily. All he has to do is leave.

You can say FUCK PUTIN or whatever as much as you want, but the fact is that talking points that distract from this reality simply are pro-Putin talking points.

Republicans using Reagan to be mean to other republicans:

History has taught us the cost of appeasement. While the Republican Party used to oppose murderous oppressors, today they kneel to them. They betray the ideals so many patriots died defending.

Appeasement

Shirley wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 6:01 pm Republicans using Reagan to be mean to other republicans:

History has taught us the cost of appeasement. While the Republican Party used to oppose murderous oppressors, today they kneel to them. They betray the ideals so many patriots died defending.

Appeasement

There are few things that support the argument that Trumpism is a cult, quite like the about-face the party has done on Russia.

If this was a cheap zombie movie, the infected people would be eating puke and shitting filets.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 6:08 pm

Shirley wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 6:01 pm Republicans using Reagan to be mean to other republicans:

History has taught us the cost of appeasement. While the Republican Party used to oppose murderous oppressors, today they kneel to them. They betray the ideals so many patriots died defending.

Appeasement

There are few things that support the argument that Trumpism is a cult, quite like the about-face the party has done on Russia.

If this was a cheap zombie movie, the infected people would be eating puke and shitting filets.

You have a gift for metaphors, jfish26.

Are you sure you're not a litigator?

Metaphors. Killer.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 2:25 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 1:45 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 12:01 pm

The ONLY relevant person who thinks the solution to all this fighting is more fighting, is Putin. The fighting would stop if Putin would simply leave Ukraine.

Dude, western leaders were OuTrAGeD that Macron had the audacity to talk to him. Yet another point you’re willfully avoiding!

An Apollo 13 quote comes to mind, as to your general thing here: "We are on number eight. You're talking about number six hundred ninety-two."

The person with the most power, in the entire world, to end the fighting right now, could do so very easily. All he has to do is leave.

You can say FUCK PUTIN or whatever as much as you want, but the fact is that talking points that distract from this reality simply are pro-Putin talking points.

dude, this is just more gaslighting.

Specifically which of my talking points do you think are pro-Putin? That I wish he would take his ball and go home and somehow be convicted of war crimes even more than you?

realistically how do you expect that to happen?

let's try this again:

if Putin agreed to a full retreat if NATO agreed to stop flooding Ukraine with weapons too, would you make that deal?

yes or no.

come on bro. I answered when you put me on the spot for some "yes or no" bullshit, so kindly return the favor, please.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 2:25 pm if we can’t start with an agreed upon set of actual objective facts, this conversation will continue to go nowhere

agreed!

wait...wut?