Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:52 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:46 am
At Kansas, the Dipper's focus was not on the classroom. Discus thrower Al Oerter, winner of gold medals for four consecutive Olympics from 1956 to 1968, shared a business class with Chamberlain at KU. He always noticed when Chamberlain was there, which by Oerter's estimate was "one out of ten [classes]." Oerter looked up from his final examination and saw a small white student signing his name on the exam as "Wilt Chamberlain." Oerter whispered to the student, "Somehow you don't look like Wilt."..

It seems fairly clear that, at no time anyone now alive was, well, alive...has college basketball been anything remotely close to financially or academically pure.

And that people obsessed over retconning to the contrary...should really, really, really think about what interests, of third parties, are served by that obsession. More plainly: people who are NOT, themselves, motivated by very bad shit...are being used by people who are.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:52 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:46 am
At Kansas, the Dipper's focus was not on the classroom. Discus thrower Al Oerter, winner of gold medals for four consecutive Olympics from 1956 to 1968, shared a business class with Chamberlain at KU. He always noticed when Chamberlain was there, which by Oerter's estimate was "one out of ten [classes]." Oerter looked up from his final examination and saw a small white student signing his name on the exam as "Wilt Chamberlain." Oerter whispered to the student, "Somehow you don't look like Wilt."..

It seems fairly clear that, at no time anyone now alive was, well, alive...has college basketball been anything remotely close to financially or academically pure.

And that people obsessed over retconning to the contrary...should really, really, really think about what interests, of third parties, are served by that obsession. More plainly: people who are NOT, themselves, motivated by very bad shit...are being used by people who are.

hoopla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 7:36 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:52 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:46 am
At Kansas, the Dipper's focus was not on the classroom. Discus thrower Al Oerter, winner of gold medals for four consecutive Olympics from 1956 to 1968, shared a business class with Chamberlain at KU. He always noticed when Chamberlain was there, which by Oerter's estimate was "one out of ten [classes]." Oerter looked up from his final examination and saw a small white student signing his name on the exam as "Wilt Chamberlain." Oerter whispered to the student, "Somehow you don't look like Wilt."..

It seems fairly clear that, at no time anyone now alive was, well, alive...has college basketball been anything remotely close to financially or academically pure.

And that people obsessed over retconning to the contrary...should really, really, really think about what interests, of third parties, are served by that obsession. More plainly: people who are NOT, themselves, motivated by very bad shit...are being used by people who are.

it seems to me that what i'm saying and what you're saying aren't all that different. my main question/issue/whatever is why continue the charade - i.e. to your point, whose interests are being served by it? it started with NIL, so let's peel back the facade, make everything transparent, disentangle athletics from academics (which you just said has been a well-known farce for decades anyways), and revealed preferences will be made clear.

but clearly that wouldn't go well and ignorance is bliss so lets all keep our mouths shut and eyes closed...

AlOerter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:45 am Things that generate big money always create these issues. If it was art or music that generated big money for the school similar things would be going on with those programs.

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 11:04 am

AlOerter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:45 am Things that generate big money always create these issues. If it was art or music that generated big money for the school similar things would be going on with those programs.

Music, in particular, is worse than athletics. Generally everything else is shunted aside by the best. And the best often come from families that can indulge high end instruments or lessons like golfers.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:07 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 11:04 am

AlOerter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:45 am Things that generate big money always create these issues. If it was art or music that generated big money for the school similar things would be going on with those programs.

Music, in particular, is worse than athletics. Generally everything else is shunted aside by the best. And the best often come from families that can indulge high end instruments or lessons like golfers.

One of the bigger structural impediments to college athletics being more fair to the athletes who generate revenue…is that one of the first things on the chopping block would, logically, be need-blind scholarships for non-revenue sports.

AlOerter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:13 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:07 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 11:04 am

Music, in particular, is worse than athletics. Generally everything else is shunted aside by the best. And the best often come from families that can indulge high end instruments or lessons like golfers.

One of the bigger structural impediments to college athletics being more fair to the athletes who generate revenue…is that one of the first things on the chopping block would, logically, be need-blind scholarships for non-revenue sports.

Yes. KU B-ball has been supporting nearly the entirety of KU Athletics for years. NIL has allowed other entities to be legally involved in funding, so hopefully non-revenue sports won't have to be cut.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:38 pm

AlOerter wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:13 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:07 pm

One of the bigger structural impediments to college athletics being more fair to the athletes who generate revenue…is that one of the first things on the chopping block would, logically, be need-blind scholarships for non-revenue sports.

Yes. KU B-ball has been supporting nearly the entirety of KU Athletics for years. NIL has allowed other entities to be legally involved in funding, so hopefully non-revenue sports won't have to be cut.

I think there are ways to chart a middle course on a lot of this stuff, but the latent issue with this is there are a lot of people in the donor class who…have become accustomed to little Jaxtylnn and Brinterly being able to get scholarships for non-revenue sports. One of the reasons change is so hard here.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:44 pm For example:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck- ... 48319.html

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 12:16 pm this go here?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 12:22 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 12:16 pm this go here?

Pretty much. I like to think of it, in Spanish-speaking-soccer-announcer-voice, like, "Jaden passes to Braden, who passes to Kaden! And now KADEN finds JAYDEN, who sends it ahead to...DRADEN!!! And on to BRAYDEN, for the GOOOOOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"