F the NCAA

[Deleted User 75]

Where did twocoach come up with schools will get $10mil less if brands can legally pay players before they're in the NBA?

Is that just a number magically invented out of thin air? My guess is yes it's a drama queen number.... Just like 20mil a year to zion while in college. Lulz...how many NBA players get 20mil a year from brands? Maybe 10-20? wouldn't be shocked if it's less than that.

[Deleted User 75]

Here's a list of NBA shoe deals not created in fantasy land....

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 4451804469

[Deleted User 75]

There is plenty of money for everyone. Players signing these deals 9months earlier would NOT result in schools losing 10,000,000$ per year. Or anywhere close to that amount...in fact, it's possible they wouldn't lose any more than they already lose fighting stupid eligibility cases.

[Lonestarjayhawk]

Let the NBA pay them from future earnings. Expand the draft by another round. The club pays a percentage of their first pro contract. Set the scale and guarantee the salaries for all rounds. Let the NBA draft and stash them in college. Or they can go pro and play immediately. When they play they are pros.

[PortlandHawk]

Clearly this a a very complex issue, my idea was mainly trying to show that some ideas can be win-win. Maybe the NCAA should sign with Nike for all team gear(like the NBA) and let the shoe companies sign deals with individual players and coaches. There are many many good ideas, they just require leadership to get implemented.

[Deleted User 75]

Let the NBA pay them from future earnings. Expand the draft by another round. The club pays a percentage of their first pro contract. Set the scale and guarantee the salaries for all rounds. Let the NBA draft and stash them in college. Or they can go pro and play immediately. When they play they are pros.

Seems reasonable.

What I personally don't want to happen is that they do all those things and then stash in G League because college won't allow it. Others don't care the quality of player we have, but I do.

[twocoach]

Meh. No point arguing it anyways. Expecting the NCAA to do anything logical for the benwfit of the athlete is foolish. Their model isnt changing any time soon. They likely think the NBA getting rid of OAD will magically cure everything.

[Deleted User 75]

If the ncaa doesn't care about the athletes then it shouldn't exist. Problem is that we'd need a lot of big time schools and conferences to all get on the same page.

What would be cool is if Lavar Ball created a replacement tournament to happen during the ncaa tournament and all the top schools played in that instead. Then the NCAA would have to listen because that would decimate their income.

Although, my guess is that 85% of ncaa schools like the rules how they're set up...because most don't get players who are worth paying.

[pdub]

They won't do this but they need to sit down and come out with clear rules that specify infractions and related punishment.
This would include punishment for the staff ( game suspensions ).

Get rid of the NBA age restriction.
Allow a player to return to college if they don't sign with an agent and don't get drafted.
Regulate fairly across all programs -- this is very important.
For every year a player attends college, they get another year at said college, paid tuition/room/board/all amenities they experienced for future use ( i.e. could use it for grad school down the line ).
Try to lessen endorsement/sponsorship/merch deals with other companies ( this won't happen because $$$ but it'd be ideal ).

[Deleted User 75]

The NBA age rule isn't an NCAA rule, but yes.

[Lonestarjayhawk]

Maybe the game would be a little different if the OAD's didn't spend a year playing college ball. But in the long run not terribly worse. Maybe it is naive of me to think that if you move the top-10 players to the NBA out of high school most of the big money push will disappear. Shoe companies have budgets too. Once the throw money at the top kids going straight to the pros from high school will they have money left over to give a kid going to college $100k to wear their shoes in the NCAA? Don't know the answer to that.

[pdub]

I think the G League should format themselves to be more of a 18-24 year old league.
Maybe you have 3-4 spots for veterans ( so you can still send your guys down ) but try to maximize on youth.
Integrate it into the NBA better - maybe at All Star Break the G League all stars play the NBA rookie all stars.
Truly make your league a scouting organization instead of relying on your age rule/college to do so.

And go over the top with marketing/advertising.
Nike/Adidas/UA/Puma splashing all over the place.
Use tech to push the league - partner with FB live to feature court side footage, live fantasy betting, maybe get different popular icons ( investors ) to have more involvement with the team ( i.e. half time Post Malone shows ) - exclusive content etc etc etc.

[Deleted User 75]

Seems reasonable.. but let's also remember it's not the NBAs responsibility to do things to try to fix college basketball. Although I wish Adam Silver were running the NCAA.

And multiple NBA execs have said they're disssapointed in the lack of development that occurs in college...that's a part of why the age rule is going away. It didn't work as intended. Guys aren't coming in that much more ready than they'd have been sitting on an NBA bench for a year..maybe less ready.

[twocoach]

They won't do this but they need to sit down and come out with clear rules that specify infractions and related punishment.
This would include punishment for the staff ( game suspensions ).

Get rid of the NBA age restriction.
Allow a player to return to college if they don't sign with an agent and don't get drafted.
Regulate fairly across all programs -- this is very important.
For every year a player attends college, they get another year at said college, paid tuition/room/board/all amenities they experienced for future use ( i.e. could use it for grad school down the line ).
Try to lessen endorsement/sponsorship/merch deals with other companies ( this won't happen because $$$ but it'd be ideal ).

Most players who want to get drafted need to sign with an agent to get them out there in front of teams. Very few players can handle all of that themselves, especially the fringe guys who may not get drafted.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Agents should definitely be allowed, even the dumbass Rice Commission agreed with that. There's just nothing bad about allowing that.

The schools should be on hook for 5 years of scholarship and cost of living. It's only fair considering the coaches can kick a kid off for any reason.

[Lonestarjayhawk]

You don't need an agent to sign a NBA deal. The scale is in place. Maybe an agent helps a free agent get introduced to GM or scout. It means the NBA would have to do more home work. This is why if I was a NBA GM, I would want the 19 or even 20 age limit for the draft. The more data, film and eye tests would help me know if the kid was a real player or just an AAU star.

[CrimsonNBlue]

After watching Shady and BMac go through the draft process without a real agent, it's hard to convince me the players don't need one.

[twocoach]

Agreed. My cousin played football at Maryland and then Rutgers and then had an agent who helped him wade through all the post college stuff. We had a fascinating discussion of all the behind the scene work that agents do for their clients. The public really has no clue how much it is needed.

[Deleted User 89]

heard a comment the other day that if whomever had the first pick in the draft each year would just take the best high school prospect, that they’d “miss” only about 30% of the time...at most

[CrimsonNBlue]

Which is logical. And also why NBA owners like the OAD rule for the most part. College gets to filter out who the best prospect in that class really is.

And why NBPA hates OAD. They want the additional member strength ASAP.