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Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:04 am
by Deleted User 310
Grandma wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:33 am
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:13 am
Grandma wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:59 am

Can/will you please tell me why.
It is easier.
"it is easier" to drop your pants and shit where you are instead of walking to a toilet.
I don't know about that. Thighs would get tired from squating. Probably wouldn't be carrying toilet paper. Personally i have never tried to shit anywhere other than on a toilet, but i have seen guys have to shit in the woods during golf and it didn't look all that easy. 🤣

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:22 am
by TDub
Ive lost spme good socks and t shirt sleeves in the woods

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:35 pm
by Deleted User 318
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... es-voting/

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Dems understanding that voting will likely be harder than GOP voters makes me think this thing backfire on the GOP.

Also, this is a good sign:

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Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:55 pm
by twocoach
TDub wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:46 am I dont have a choice. Oregon is exclusively vote by mail
Is that why all those mail boxes were being removed in Oregon the other day?

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:57 pm
by twocoach
I will just be going in early to vote in person.

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:26 pm
by Deleted User 318
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md ... story.html

Postal Service warns 46 states their voters could be disenfranchised by delayed mail-in ballots
Anticipating an avalanche of absentee ballots, the U.S. Postal Service recently sent detailed letters to 46 states and D.C. warning that it cannot guarantee all ballots cast by mail for the November election will arrive in time to be counted — adding another layer of uncertainty ahead of the high-stakes presidential contest.

The letters sketch a grim possibility for the tens of millions of Americans eligible for a mail-in ballot this fall: Even if people follow all of their state’s election rules, the pace of Postal Service delivery may disqualify their votes.

The Postal Service’s warnings of potential disenfranchisement came as the agency undergoes a sweeping organizational and policy overhaul amid dire financial conditions. Cost-cutting moves have already delayed mail delivery by as much as a week in some places, and a new decision to decommission 10 percent of the Postal Service’s sorting machines sparked widespread concern the slowdowns will only worsen. Rank-and-file postal workers say the move is ill-timed and could sharply diminish the speedy processing of flat mail, including letters and ballots.

The ballot warnings, issued at the end of July from Thomas J. Marshall, general counsel and executive vice president of the Postal Service, and obtained through a records request by The Washington Post, were planned before the appointment of Louis DeJoy, a former logistics executive and ally of President Trump, as postmaster general in early summer. They go beyond the traditional coordination between the Postal Service and election officials, drafted as fears surrounding the coronavirus pandemic triggered an unprecedented and sudden shift to mail-in voting.

Some states anticipate 10 times the normal volume of election mail. Six states and D.C. received warnings that ballots could be delayed for a narrow set of voters. But the Postal Service gave 40 others — including the key battleground states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida — more-serious warnings that their long-standing deadlines for requesting, returning or counting ballots were “incongruous” with mail service and that voters who send ballots in close to those deadlines may become disenfranchised.

“The Postal Service is asking election officials and voters to realistically consider how the mail works,” Martha Johnson, a spokeswoman for the USPS, said in a statement.

In response to the Postal Service’s warnings, a few states have quickly moved deadlines — forcing voters to request or cast ballots earlier, or deciding to delay tabulating results while waiting for more ballots to arrive.

Pennsylvania election officials cited its letter late Thursday in asking the state’s Supreme Court for permission to count ballots delivered three days after Election Day. But deadlines in many other states have not been or cannot be adjusted with just weeks remaining before the first absentee ballots hit the mail stream. More than 60 lawsuits in at least two dozen states over the mechanics of mail-in voting are wending their way through the courts....

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:30 pm
by TDub
twocoach wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:55 pm
TDub wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:46 am I dont have a choice. Oregon is exclusively vote by mail
Is that why all those mail boxes were being removed in Oregon the other day?
Couldn't tell ya. I havent personally seen any be removed but who knows

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:43 pm
by Deleted User 89
NiceDC wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:26 pm https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md ... story.html

Postal Service warns 46 states their voters could be disenfranchised by delayed mail-in ballots
help me out here...

is there not a mechanism by which congress can provide funding without the president’s stamp of approval?

or is this one of the 2/3 vote things that would be required to subvert a presidential veto?

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:01 pm
by Deleted User 318
Veto-proof majority, but the funding is not the issue as much as it's policies that are being implemented. Congress probably doesn't have much say, except impeachment.

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:20 pm
by Deleted User 89
gotcha

and i’m sure there’s no way one of the private operations could step in...ups, fedex, etc

would be hilarious if amazon offered to do it for free, given the relationship between trump and bezos

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:21 pm
by Deleted User 89
NiceDC wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:01 pm Congress probably doesn't have much say, except impeachment.
sigh...

c’est la vie

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:22 pm
by Deleted User 318
Bezos could fund the whole thing. Unfortunately, you cannot earmark donations to the government. I think it has to go to the general fund. And I don't think anyone wants a private company, especially one so anti-Trump, to handle ballots.

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:59 pm
by jfish26
NiceDC wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:22 pm Bezos could fund the whole thing. Unfortunately, you cannot earmark donations to the government. I think it has to go to the general fund. And I don't think anyone wants a private company, especially one so anti-Trump, to handle ballots.
Not that this is an original point or anything, but: the USPS seems to work fine for things that must, by law, be postmarked by a certain date in order to be considered timely filed.

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:02 pm
by jfish26
NiceDC wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:01 pm Veto-proof majority, but the funding is not the issue as much as it's policies that are being implemented. Congress probably doesn't have much say, except impeachment.
It goes without saying that subverting an election is orders of magnitude worse than withholding foreign aid.

It's almost...I don't know...a not good thing that we've established that it's cool for him to use the powers of his office (and the executive branch) in service of personal gain.

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:07 pm
by ousdahl
Man, remember 7 months ago, when Covid was still just some peripheral other country’s problem, and instead of arguing why we should or shouldn’t wear masks we were showing arguing why we should or shouldn’t hear from witnesses?

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:10 pm
by jfish26
ousdahl wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:07 pm Man, remember 7 months ago, when Covid was still just some peripheral other country’s problem, and instead of arguing why we should or shouldn’t wear masks we were showing arguing why we should or shouldn’t hear from witnesses?
And had the GOP Senators (other than Romney) not been such supine chickenshits, we'd be back to something approximating normal by now.

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:13 pm
by jhawks99
Pence is normal?

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:19 pm
by jfish26
jhawks99 wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:13 pm Pence is normal?
I meant his response to the virus would have been much, much more responsible and non-cover-uppy.

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:28 pm
by Deleted User 318
jfish26 wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:02 pm
NiceDC wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:01 pm Veto-proof majority, but the funding is not the issue as much as it's policies that are being implemented. Congress probably doesn't have much say, except impeachment.
It goes without saying that subverting an election is orders of magnitude worse than withholding foreign aid.

It's almost...I don't know...a not good thing that we've established that it's cool for him to use the powers of his office (and the executive branch) in service of personal gain.
Sorry, I guess I should've been more clear. I meant impeach Louis DeJoy, not Trump. Trump should probably be impeach if 25% of what is alleged is true, but I was going for impeach the Postmaster General due to his policies.

Re: Trump/Republicans 2020: Suppressing Votes & Weaponizing the Government.

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:29 pm
by ousdahl
Non-cover-uppy is a good way to put it.

Instead of downplaying the virus and floating conspiracies, we’d all be praying it away, like the gay.