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What Jeep said

The most honest part of that video...the most important part... is that no one can have it all.

Both men and women have tradeoffs in life, things they have to give up or sacrifice.

So I'm not sure why, you, as a man, always single out women in this regard?

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:54 pm The most honest part of that video...the most important part... is that no one can have it all.

Both men and women have tradeoffs in life, things they have to give up or sacrifice.

So I'm not sure why, you, as a man, always single out women in this regard?

I never said "men can have it all." Men sacrifice just as much as women, just in different ways. Men are not the ones going around saying "we can have it all", it's the other sex that is spreading this lie.

lobster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:57 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:54 pm The most honest part of that video...the most important part... is that no one can have it all.

Both men and women have tradeoffs in life, things they have to give up or sacrifice.

So I'm not sure why, you, as a man, always single out women in this regard?

I never said "men can have it all." Men sacrifice just as much as women, just in different ways. Men are not the ones going around saying "we can have it all", it's the other sex that is spreading this lie.

I guess I just don't see that rhetoric in my personal life. That's not something I hear anyone say of either sex.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:59 pm

lobster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:57 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:54 pm The most honest part of that video...the most important part... is that no one can have it all.

Both men and women have tradeoffs in life, things they have to give up or sacrifice.

So I'm not sure why, you, as a man, always single out women in this regard?

I never said "men can have it all." Men sacrifice just as much as women, just in different ways. Men are not the ones going around saying "we can have it all", it's the other sex that is spreading this lie.

I guess I just don't see that rhetoric in my personal life. That's not something I hear anyone say of either sex.

Well, it does exist, despite you not hearing or seeing it. Unfortunately, it's very popular in spaces where people are supposed to be thinking critically and focusing on what is true.

lobster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:08 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:59 pm

lobster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:57 pm

I never said "men can have it all." Men sacrifice just as much as women, just in different ways. Men are not the ones going around saying "we can have it all", it's the other sex that is spreading this lie.

I guess I just don't see that rhetoric in my personal life. That's not something I hear anyone say of either sex.

Well, it does exist, despite you not hearing or seeing it. Unfortunately, it's very popular in spaces where people are supposed to be thinking critically and focusing on what is true.

Can you give me an example?

lobster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:08 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:59 pm

lobster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:57 pm

I never said "men can have it all." Men sacrifice just as much as women, just in different ways. Men are not the ones going around saying "we can have it all", it's the other sex that is spreading this lie.

I guess I just don't see that rhetoric in my personal life. That's not something I hear anyone say of either sex.

Well, it does exist, despite you not hearing or seeing it. Unfortunately, it's very popular in spaces where people are supposed to be thinking critically and focusing on what is true.

I guess that would explain why PhD hasn't heard it, because if there's any field where " thinking critically and focusing on what is true", i.e. facts, are no big deal, it's doing peer-reviewed research at a world-renowned* American research university, the first university to award a PhD in the United States, a university that was chartered decades before our nation, was a nation.

*...The U.S. News & World Report ranked Yale 3rd among U.S. national universities for 2016,[124] as it has for each of the past sixteen years.

In the international sphere, it was ranked 11th in the 2016 Academic Ranking of World Universities, 10th in the 2016-17 Nature Index[144] for quality of scientific research output, and 10th in the 2016 CWUR World University Rankings.[145] The university was also ranked 6th in the 2016 Times Higher Education (THE) Global University Employability Rankings[146] and 8th in the THE Academic World Reputation Rankings.[147]...

lobster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:08 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:59 pm

lobster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:57 pm

I never said "men can have it all." Men sacrifice just as much as women, just in different ways. Men are not the ones going around saying "we can have it all", it's the other sex that is spreading this lie.

I guess I just don't see that rhetoric in my personal life. That's not something I hear anyone say of either sex.

Well, it does exist, despite you not hearing or seeing it. Unfortunately, it's very popular in spaces where people are supposed to be thinking critically and focusing on what is true.

I see and hear it almost daily for n my clinical work. Women with one or more kids who invested tens, if not hundreds of thousands, of dollars in college and graduate degrees, sitting in my office in tears because they are simultaneously exhausted, discouraged, and feeling guilty because they feel like they are failing as wives, mothers, and in their careers. The number one lament I hear is some variation of “I just wish I could stay home and be a mom!” Sadly, most either can’t afford to or feel too much pressure from the feminist crowd to prove that they can do it all. In the end, most choose to be tired and miserable.

That reminds me of the Julia Roberts movie “Mona Lisa Smile.”

1950s, Wellesley College: art teacher wants the girls to think of themselves as more than wives/mothers. One of the girls states..... well, you’ll just have to watch this short clip.



My takeaway is that there should be a choice and no shame for any of those choices. Opportunities need to exist. Being single, being childless, being a senator, or a firefighter, or a full time homemaker, or a soldier, or a piano teacher, or a Supreme Court justice, etc etc etc.

DrPepper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:52 am That reminds me of the Julia Roberts movie “Mona Lisa Smile.”

1950s, Wellesley College: art teacher wants the girls to think of themselves as more than wives/mothers. One of the girls states..... well, you’ll just have to watch this short clip.



My takeaway is that there should be a choice and no shame for any of those choices. Opportunities need to exist. Being single, being childless, being a senator, or a firefighter, or a full time homemaker, or a soldier, or a piano teacher, or a Supreme Court justice, etc etc etc.

Agreed. If the women I see in session are a representative sample, though, they seem to feel pressured - by family, by culture, by I don't know what - to do both and to do both well. Not everyone can juggle like that.

DrPepper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:52 am That reminds me of the Julia Roberts movie “Mona Lisa Smile.”

1950s, Wellesley College: art teacher wants the girls to think of themselves as more than wives/mothers. One of the girls states..... well, you’ll just have to watch this short clip.



My takeaway is that there should be a choice and no shame for any of those choices. Opportunities need to exist. Being single, being childless, being a senator, or a firefighter, or a full time homemaker, or a soldier, or a piano teacher, or a Supreme Court justice, etc etc etc.

When I was an undergrad, one of the big-time feminists came to speak and a bunch of us trudged over to listen to her. She had written some well publicized book and was like the young woman in the clip, a Seven Sisters grad and part of the NYC elite. She surprised us all by telling us that she really didn't have much to say to women in Kansas, as we lived in a very different world, had long made much greater gains than the Northeast coastal elite types.

I thought then of all the women I knew who were lower class, lower middle class, who didn't have the choices that the girl above did, they had to work to support their families, themselves, their sisters/brothers, parents. Took awhile, but I think feminists got around to working to make those women's lives easier and better.

I don't think most of those women had time after riding buses to work, working all day, preparing food, taking care of their kids or their parents, to spend a lot of time listening to a male therapist explain the problems in their life choices.

LOL @ "male therapist"

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:43 am LOL @ "male therapist"

Don’t laugh - we’re becoming as rare as unicorns. You’d be surprised how many women specifically request a male therapist.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:43 am

lobster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:08 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:59 pm I guess I just don't see that rhetoric in my personal life. That's not something I hear anyone say of either sex.

Well, it does exist, despite you not hearing or seeing it. Unfortunately, it's very popular in spaces where people are supposed to be thinking critically and focusing on what is true.

Can you give me an example?

Have you been to a public university recently? I travel sometimes for events at these places and a lot of them are flooded with this stuff.

HD gave a very good example of a common experience. I've met a lot of people, and it's very common for women I've met to want to become stay at home mothers in their early 30's. Some of them had impressive careers in law and other fields where they pulled down good salaries.

I'm not here to say a woman (or anyone) should not live their dream. I'm just here to point out that there are trade-offs in life. Very few people can do everything well simultaneously, and most of us shouldn't keep trying if it's obvious we can't. I've known several very successful men in the music industry out here and they have lost their wives due to the amount of time they had to spend in the office (80 hour weeks are very common, unfortunately). I just want to push back against this nonsense that gets women into these impossible situations where they can't win. I want people to be healthy and happy.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:44 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:43 am LOL @ "male therapist"

Don’t laugh - we’re becoming as rare as unicorns. You’d be surprised how many women specifically request a male therapist.

I wasn't laughing at the idea of a male therapist fwiw...just seagull going out of her way to display her hate for what is seemingly most men. And definitely most men that would ever dare to disagree with her.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:44 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:43 am LOL @ "male therapist"

Don’t laugh - we’re becoming as rare as unicorns. You’d be surprised how many women specifically request a male therapist.

Makes sense -- they want someone more logical.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:52 am

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:44 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:43 am LOL @ "male therapist"

Don’t laugh - we’re becoming as rare as unicorns. You’d be surprised how many women specifically request a male therapist.

I wasn't laughing at the idea of a male therapist fwiw...just seagull going out of her way to display her hate for what is seemingly most men. And definitely most men that would ever dare to disagree with her.

I knew you weren't literally laughing. Figure of speech.

It's known as mansplaining.
carry on

Super woke Geezer.