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Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:26 pm This is a long post, but if you follow the link, it goes on even further explaining why the propaganda being spread about how much our support for Ukraine is costing Americans, is nearly total BS.

Opinion Ukraine aid’s best-kept secret: Most of the money stays in the U.S.A.

That’s right: Funds that lawmakers approve to arm Ukraine are not going directly to Ukraine but are being used stateside to build new weapons or to replace weapons sent to Kyiv from U.S. stockpiles. Of the $68 billion in military and related assistance Congress has approved since Russia invaded Ukraine, almost 90 percent is going to Americans, one analysis found.

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ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:54 pm what sort of losses have the Ukrainian people suffered?

I dunno if that article covers that, I just saw the couple paragraphs of free content

Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:26 pm This is a long post, but if you follow the link, it goes on even further explaining why the propaganda being spread about how much our support for Ukraine is costing Americans, is nearly total BS.

Opinion Ukraine aid’s best-kept secret: Most of the money stays in the U.S.A.

That’s right: Funds that lawmakers approve to arm Ukraine are not going directly to Ukraine but are being used stateside to build new weapons or to replace weapons sent to Kyiv from U.S. stockpiles. Of the $68 billion in military and related assistance Congress has approved since Russia invaded Ukraine, almost 90 percent is going to Americans, one analysis found.
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twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:49 pm

Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:26 pm This is a long post, but if you follow the link, it goes on even further explaining why the propaganda being spread about how much our support for Ukraine is costing Americans, is nearly total BS.

Opinion Ukraine aid’s best-kept secret: Most of the money stays in the U.S.A.

That’s right: Funds that lawmakers approve to arm Ukraine are not going directly to Ukraine but are being used stateside to build new weapons or to replace weapons sent to Kyiv from U.S. stockpiles. Of the $68 billion in military and related assistance Congress has approved since Russia invaded Ukraine, almost 90 percent is going to Americans, one analysis found.
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Gee, this seems to fly in the face of the talking point of Mich and other Republicans. They seem to make it sound like the big problem is that all this money is going overseas in a big box and handed out to foreigners instead of being used to benefit hardworking Americans.

Joe Biden and other Dems would be wise to make sure that a bigger light is shined on this and that more details are made available so people really understand how this money is actually spent.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:54 am cheetoheadmoosealeanni.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:43 am Thought experiment:

So if in 11 months Trump is re-elected, and the policies of US-furnished endless wars in Ukraine, and/or Israel, and/or countless other shithole countries no one bats an eye about, are perpetuated by Trump…what then?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 9:50 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:43 am Thought experiment:

So if in 11 months Trump is re-elected, and the policies of US-furnished endless wars in Ukraine, and/or Israel, and/or countless other shithole countries no one bats an eye about, are perpetuated by Trump…what then?

Stop lumping everything together.

This being the Ukraine thread, I will respond on Ukraine.

As you well know, Ukraine did not ask for Russia to wage war on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine should not be expected to give up one inch of its soil as a condition of "peace." Anyone who suggests otherwise IS, whether they want to or not, taking up a pro-Putin talking point.

Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:11 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 9:50 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:43 am Thought experiment:

So if in 11 months Trump is re-elected, and the policies of US-furnished endless wars in Ukraine, and/or Israel, and/or countless other shithole countries no one bats an eye about, are perpetuated by Trump…what then?

Stop lumping everything together.

This being the Ukraine thread, I will respond on Ukraine.

As you well know, Ukraine did not ask for Russia to wage war on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine should not be expected to give up one inch of its soil as a condition of "peace." Anyone who suggests otherwise IS, whether they want to or not, taking up a pro-Putin talking point.

"...Ukraine...Israel...shithole countries..."

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:46 am sit tight. this board will be very anti war in Jan 25.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:14 pm they may be different wars. than the wars we have today. but i will predict whatever wars uncle has us funding at the time we have a transfer of power. will suddenly become very bad wars. that we must get ourselves out of if you are a boot-licking autocrat republican

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:35 am Dangit fish. This isn’t simply the Ukraine thread. It’s the war thread. As such, it’s precisely the place to lump all the US’s wars together.

Forgive me for using Trump’s bigoted diction. I’ll refrain.

I only did so in an attempt to make a point: that your guy’s views in this thread, on some practical material level, really are much, much, MUCH closer to Trump’s, than mine are.

But I know this discussion is futile. I shouldn’t have bothered.

Have a good day, you guys.