Kansas Crimson

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:45 am

seahawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:38 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:27 pm

Considering how little you know about my qualifications or abilities, I will lump your comments in the garbage right along with Geezer's.

I simply agreed with Geezer that you brag about being compensated for stuff you don't know much about and there are better educational bargains to be had at community colleges, with people who are experts in the field. My husband always laughed at the amateurs who like to focus on the rare sociopathic criminals when his experience of 10 years as a prosecutor and 24 adjudicating in a courtroom every day indicated that most criminals were just poor, dumb, and from an abusive background. He and my former roommate, who had been shot and done hard time as a young adult and then gotten a Phd. in psychology and been in charge of psych services at a maximum security prison, were in agreement.

Well, I have never tried to brag about anything. On the contrary, I don’t see anything about my life that anyone here would find to be cause for envy. I’m sorry you read it that way.

The point of the exercise in question was to help the future LEO’s and social workers understand that many people who meet the diagnostic criteria for sociopathy never end up committing significant crimes, but do end up making themselves and the people around them unhappy because of the way their life experiences and brain functioning cause them to see and respond to the world around them.

Ric Flair was a lifelong alcoholic, compulsive gambler and spender, burned through multiple marriages because of uncontrolled sexual behavior, was an absentee father, and stood by watching his son kill himself with heroin because he was too wrapped up in his own career - all of which he admitted in the documentary. There are multiple broad applications of his story for people in the helping professions.

seahawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:11 am

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:45 am

seahawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:38 pm


I simply agreed with Geezer that you brag about being compensated for stuff you don't know much about and there are better educational bargains to be had at community colleges, with people who are experts in the field. My husband always laughed at the amateurs who like to focus on the rare sociopathic criminals when his experience of 10 years as a prosecutor and 24 adjudicating in a courtroom every day indicated that most criminals were just poor, dumb, and from an abusive background. He and my former roommate, who had been shot and done hard time as a young adult and then gotten a Phd. in psychology and been in charge of psych services at a maximum security prison, were in agreement.

Well, I have never tried to brag about anything. On the contrary, I don’t see anything about my life that anyone here would find to be cause for envy. I’m sorry you read it that way.

The point of the exercise in question was to help the future LEO’s and social workers understand that many people who meet the diagnostic criteria for sociopathy never end up committing significant crimes, but do end up making themselves and the people around them unhappy because of the way their life experiences and brain functioning cause them to see and respond to the world around them.

Ric Flair was a lifelong alcoholic, compulsive gambler and spender, burned through multiple marriages because of uncontrolled sexual behavior, was an absentee father, and stood by watching his son kill himself with heroin because he was too wrapped up in his own career - all of which he admitted in the documentary. There are multiple broad applications of his story for people in the helping professions.

And that's just bullshit, Psych, I've supervised social work students and spent a career in the helping professions. What upper middle class college students don't need is a focus on the fascinating, flamboyant sociopath. You're teaching the exact opposite of what they require, which is a focus on the average criminal with a Room Temperature IQ and a family history of addiction. I have supervised social work students from college educated parent backgrounds like yours and they have an extremely tough time relating to the average working class person, much less the working class criminal.

A better expenditure of tax dollars is on CC instructors like my husband, who know what it is like to grow up in the home with working class alcoholics that died with 30+ years of sobriety. Who knew long before they got sober that 12 step programs work and can explain that to the upper middle class kids that will be dealing with clients who can't pay for 30 days in expensive treatment programs. Who ran AA meetings in a jail and spent hundreds of hours listening to blue collar guys tell their stories of getting sober and know how important halfway houses are to treatment success.

My friend who spent time in prison would also teach the opposite of you, talking not about the famous, interesting sociopath, but about how with the closing of mental institutions, a lot of prisoners are simply mentally ill but too difficult to be in the community end up in prison. Like the guy who bothers no one, just sitting in his cell putting butter on his shoes to keep them shiny for the time when they come and "beam him up."

I've watched people taught by folks like you waste a ton of taxpayer money on the "interesting cases" that their college professors taught them about, while paying little attention to those people/criminals who might be able to succeed with some assistance--by far the majority of their clients.

Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:27 pm Well, one asshole is our Vice President. Went to the Mayo Clinic and refused to wear a mask - which is a requirement for ALL visitors right now.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-pe ... sit-2020-4

* EDIT * Should have figured someone else had posted about it - as Feral did on the "No One Cares Because Nothing Matters Anymore" thread and chikinbut did in the shit people thread.
Both very appropriate places to post it.

Grandma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:54 pm Why did he wear a mask?

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:47 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:54 pm Why did he wear a mask?

Because you guys bitch at/about him and his boss no matter what they do?

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:47 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:54 pm Why did he wear a mask?

Because you guys bitch at/about him and his boss no matter what they do?

Grandma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:41 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:47 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:54 pm Why did he wear a mask?

Because you guys bitch at/about him and his boss no matter what they do?

If by "you guys" you mean me (Grandma), you're damn right I bitched when the "Head" of our nation's Coronavirus "Task Force" walked in to a hospital to meet with doctors, nurses, and patients, (for a photo-op) and refused to wear a mask or was too fucking ignorant not to put a mask on his face.
Then he gave a horse-shit reason why he didn't wear one.
Yet, he felt the need to wear one when he went in to a manufacturing plant.
Gee, what's wrong with that picture? Go ahead and answer that for me - please.
It's a bad joke HD. It's a really bad joke.

Grandma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:14 pm I find it interesting that you of all people have no good answers and would say bitching doesn't fix anything.
In the field you are in, I don't assume, I know - you realize the need (or at least the desire) for people to vent.
Tolerating things can be a good thing or a bad thing.
I happen to feel tolerating Donald Trump is not a good thing. At least not for me.
Then again, I fully admit I have a fucked up brain that causes me to completely struggle with the serenity "prayer".

Grandma wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:16 am This is our "stable genius" leader in action.








"very good people". I don't doubt that the majority of them are "very good people".
What about those who are not "very good people"? He wouldn't dare say anything negative about them. He wouldn't want to lose their vote.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:20 am

seahawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:11 am

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:45 am

Well, I have never tried to brag about anything. On the contrary, I don’t see anything about my life that anyone here would find to be cause for envy. I’m sorry you read it that way.

The point of the exercise in question was to help the future LEO’s and social workers understand that many people who meet the diagnostic criteria for sociopathy never end up committing significant crimes, but do end up making themselves and the people around them unhappy because of the way their life experiences and brain functioning cause them to see and respond to the world around them.

Ric Flair was a lifelong alcoholic, compulsive gambler and spender, burned through multiple marriages because of uncontrolled sexual behavior, was an absentee father, and stood by watching his son kill himself with heroin because he was too wrapped up in his own career - all of which he admitted in the documentary. There are multiple broad applications of his story for people in the helping professions.

And that's just bullshit, Psych, I've supervised social work students and spent a career in the helping professions. What upper middle class college students don't need is a focus on the fascinating, flamboyant sociopath. You're teaching the exact opposite of what they require, which is a focus on the average criminal with a Room Temperature IQ and a family history of addiction. I have supervised social work students from college educated parent backgrounds like yours and they have an extremely tough time relating to the average working class person, much less the working class criminal.

A better expenditure of tax dollars is on CC instructors like my husband, who know what it is like to grow up in the home with working class alcoholics that died with 30+ years of sobriety. Who knew long before they got sober that 12 step programs work and can explain that to the upper middle class kids that will be dealing with clients who can't pay for 30 days in expensive treatment programs. Who ran AA meetings in a jail and spent hundreds of hours listening to blue collar guys tell their stories of getting sober and know how important halfway houses are to treatment success.

My friend who spent time in prison would also teach the opposite of you, talking not about the famous, interesting sociopath, but about how with the closing of mental institutions, a lot of prisoners are simply mentally ill but too difficult to be in the community end up in prison. Like the guy who bothers no one, just sitting in his cell putting butter on his shoes to keep them shiny for the time when they come and "beam him up."

I've watched people taught by folks like you waste a ton of taxpayer money on the "interesting cases" that their college professors taught them about, while paying little attention to those people/criminals who might be able to succeed with some assistance--by far the majority of their clients.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. I disagree, and my teaching evaluations - both from students and my administration - would concur with me as well.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:40 am

Grandma wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:16 am This is our "stable genius" leader in action.








"very good people". I don't doubt that the majority of them are "very good people".
What about those who are not "very good people"? He wouldn't dare say anything negative about them. He wouldn't want to lose their vote.

So people either have to think and do things that align with what you would think or do in order to not be completely, irredeemably bad people? That doesn't sound very liberal at all.