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Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 8:10 am
by KUTradition
one might argue that the mental illness IS the gun obsession
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 8:20 am
by jhawks99
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:07 am
It’s not the guns. It’s some overpowering mental sickness that is creeping across our land of which there isn’t any visible cure.
And easy access to guns.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 8:23 am
by Shirley
KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:10 am
one might argue that the mental illness IS the gun obsession
It is.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 8:24 am
by Shirley
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:20 am
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:07 am
It’s not the guns. It’s some
overpowering mental sickness that is creeping across our land of which there isn’t any visible cure.
And easy access to guns.
"overpowering"
snowflake, much?
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 8:31 am
by Shirley
I heard yesterday that at least 7 countries, (New Zealand, Canada, Australia, United Kingdom, France, Venezuela, and Uruguay), have issued travel advisories for their citizens about visiting the United States, because of the number of shootings here.
Aren't we proud?!
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:26 am
by jfish26
This isn’t exactly an easy read, but this shooter was basically lab-grown in the far right media and social media ecosphere.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1655 ... dium=email
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:39 am
by dolomite
So are these shooters mentally ill to begin with or are they shaped into that state of mind by the “far right media and social media ecosphere”? Discuss
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:45 am
by Sparko
QED--Randy.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:09 am
by dolomite
Feral wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:24 am
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:20 am
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:07 am
It’s not the guns. It’s some
overpowering mental sickness that is creeping across our land of which there isn’t any visible cure.
And easy access to guns.
"overpowering"
snowflake, much?
I guess we have different definitions for “snowflake “
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:18 am
by jfish26
I tend to think about it from a big numbers perspective.
You inject this much poison into the bloodstream of a nation of 330 million, and the number of severe adverse reactions is going to be significant (even if, expressed as a percentage, it seems small).
When those who suffer these severe adverse reactions have easy access to weapons like assault rifles, catastrophic damage results.
That’s the argument for banning assault rifles, in a nutshell. The small marginal utility benefit they have (over other firearms) when used for lawful purposes (self-defense, hunting, recreation, etc) does not justify the massive marginal utility benefit they have when used for unlawful purposes.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 10:40 am
by twocoach
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:07 am
It’s not the guns. It’s some overpowering mental sickness that is creeping across our land of which there isn’t any visible cure.
Ah, the boogeyman. Maybe we just need to go to church more.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 11:01 am
by dolomite
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:40 am
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:07 am
It’s not the guns. It’s some overpowering mental sickness that is creeping across our land of which there isn’t any visible cure.
Ah, the boogeyman. Maybe we just need to go to church more.
Church isn’t exactly the safest place anymore.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 11:22 am
by twocoach
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 11:01 am
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:40 am
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:07 am
It’s not the guns. It’s some overpowering mental sickness that is creeping across our land of which there isn’t any visible cure.
Ah, the boogeyman. Maybe we just need to go to church more.
Church isn’t exactly the safest place anymore.
<sarcasm>
Well, we've already established that the GOP doesnt give a shit about whether children are killed so long as the right to buy big guns that make your balls tingle when you shoot them is protected so what's a few sexually assaulted children at the hands of pedophile priests when you're trying to save the nation's crumbling morality and mental health that is clearly to blame on people going to church less?
</sarcasm>
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 11:39 am
by dolomite
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 11:22 am
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 11:01 am
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:40 am
Ah, the boogeyman. Maybe we just need to go to church more.
Church isn’t exactly the safest place anymore.
<sarcasm>
Well, we've already established that the GOP doesnt give a shit about whether children are killed so long as the right to buy big guns that make your balls tingle when you shoot them is protected so what's a few sexually assaulted children at the hands of pedophile priests when you're trying to save the nation's crumbling morality and mental health that is clearly to blame on people going to church less?
</sarcasm>
I’m not trying to be a smart ass here, but I think you missed my point regarding attending church service people risk getting shot.
Google church shootings
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 12:50 pm
by defixione
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:18 am
I tend to think about it from a big numbers perspective.
You inject this much poison into the bloodstream of a nation of 330 million, and the number of severe adverse reactions is going to be significant (even if, expressed as a percentage, it seems small).
When those who suffer these severe adverse reactions have easy access to weapons like assault rifles, catastrophic damage results.
That’s the argument for banning assault rifles, in a nutshell. The small marginal utility benefit they have (over other firearms) when used for lawful purposes (self-defense, hunting, recreation, etc) does not justify the massive marginal utility benefit they have when used for unlawful purposes.
Makes me wonder how many of those with measurable reactions managed to put off their one act play for another day, or week, or year.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 2:44 pm
by twocoach
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 11:39 am
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 11:22 am
dolomite wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 11:01 am
Church isn’t exactly the safest place anymore.
<sarcasm>
Well, we've already established that the GOP doesnt give a shit about whether children are killed so long as the right to buy big guns that make your balls tingle when you shoot them is protected so what's a few sexually assaulted children at the hands of pedophile priests when you're trying to save the nation's crumbling morality and mental health that is clearly to blame on people going to church less?
</sarcasm>
I’m not trying to be a smart ass here, but I think you missed my point regarding attending church service people risk getting shot.
Google church shootings
Sadly, you can replace "church" with just about any other location in any community and get a hit on that search.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 7:01 pm
by Mjl
jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:18 am
I tend to think about it from a big numbers perspective.
You inject this much poison into the bloodstream of a nation of 330 million, and the number of severe adverse reactions is going to be significant (even if, expressed as a percentage, it seems small).
When those who suffer these severe adverse reactions have easy access to weapons like assault rifles, catastrophic damage results.
That’s the argument for banning assault rifles, in a nutshell. The small marginal utility benefit they have (over other firearms) when used for lawful purposes (self-defense, hunting, recreation, etc) does not justify the massive marginal utility benefit they have when used for unlawful purposes.
But most shootings aren't politically motivated. It goes to what you keep saying with every shooting about needing to first find out all the demographic and political information about shooters before passing judgement (super non-verbatim, hopefully I'm not misrepresenting you).
Republicans jumped on the trans shooter saying them being trans was the issue. Democrats are pouncing on this one.
There are separate issues here. The one commonality is the guns. We have a major issue with bigotry. We have a major issue with mental health. A lot of countries have both these and don't have nearly as many mass shootings.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:49 am
by KUTradition
second michigan school district bans backpacks after 3rd grader found with loaded gun
yep, backpacks are the problem
smfh
4th time this year that grand rapids public schools has had a student bring a gun to school
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 10:50 am
by jfish26
KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:49 am
second michigan school district bans backpacks after 3rd grader found with loaded gun
yep, backpacks are the problem
smfh
Anything - everything - but the guns.
Re: Another mass shooting
Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 11:30 am
by KUTradition
If guns aren’t the problem, and people are, then why would you want those people to have guns?