Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:52 am and what you have said, and what you will stand behind, simply refuses to consider so much of the material context of the situation!

admitting the US and NATO don't have a clean record, just doesn't seem to mix with also refusing to consider that record in the context of the situation at hand.

more generally - the rhetoric and the mindset of "unilateral" and "unprovoked" is such a black-and-white thing. As such, it's simply incompatible with a discussion on "shades of gray."

ousdahl wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:55 am oh, and speaking of Ukraine...

U.S. Military Aid to Ukraine Was Poorly Tracked, Pentagon Report Says

The report found that American officials and diplomats had failed to quickly or fully account for all of the nearly 40,000 weapons sent to the front.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/worl ... raine.html

ousdahl wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:48 am yea.

and to view a complex geopolitical conflict with parties from all across the world contributing materially, as actually some simple black-and-white unprovoked unilateral one-sided sort of thing, is a testament to just how effectively the western war propaganda has conditioned you to be.

It's conditioned you to ignore the coups, ignore just why McCain and Biden and such were parading around Ukraine after the coup, ignore the weapons, ignore the fighting that's been going on in Ukraine (and elsewhere!) for years and decades, ignore the refused attempts at diplomacy, ignore all that - unless some prescribed rhetoric campaign tells you to.

Again, if we're gonna insist on such black-and-white views here, you should prob make some attempt to distinguish why the same dipshits who pulled "WMDs In Iraq" on us, are suddenly playing us straight about the Ukraine/Russia conflict, among others.

If I recall, you have even the only poster to attempt to distinguish that issue. And your attempt was basically, "but Russia bad!"

Yea. Russia bad! Bear in mind tho, so much of your and my and our perception of Putin and Russia and the rest of the world at large, is overwhelmingly shaped by WMDs in Iraq-sort of rhetoric to begin with. (ever hear of the Cold War?)

And to fuss about a war on civilians in the context of Ukraine/Russia, while otherwise not offering a peep on what Israel is doing to Gaza (and has been doing to Palestinians for decades!), is quite the double standard as well.

(and here's another reminder that these hawkish policies are loosing points for Biden among the younger and more progressive voting demographics he needed to win four years ago, and needs again to win this November)

Shirley wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:39 am Posted 3 hours ago:

A scandal has erupted between officers of the Russian army units in Ukraine and former prisoners who have been sent to the war. A group of officers beat soldiers who were ex-convicts. After the opposite side’s response, the officers left the area. However, one of the officers threatened the ex-prisoners by shooting in the air. Footage from the scene of the incident has been spread on Telegram channels.

"Officers are beating us, they want to kill us" - tension between Russian soldiers and officers

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:29 pm This sounds promising.

Joyce Karam
@Joyce_Karam
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UPDATE: Pakistan - Iran escalation

• Pakistan recalls amb. in Tehran, kicks out Iran amb.
• Iranian reports on border clashes, IRGC commander killed
• China mediation failed: local media
• Unconfirmed reports that border shut
• Saudi mediating
• India stmt backs IRAN

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:29 pm This sounds promising.

Joyce Karam
@Joyce_Karam
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1h
UPDATE: Pakistan - Iran escalation

• Pakistan recalls amb. in Tehran, kicks out Iran amb.
• Iranian reports on border clashes, IRGC commander killed
• China mediation failed: local media
• Unconfirmed reports that border shut
• Saudi mediating
• India stmt backs IRAN