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I do NOT think Biden is the most qualified person to be President of the United States.

I do think Biden is the best of the 2 choices we currently have.


His ego is way too big to drop out and let a different Dem take the nomination, but I hope somehow he decides not to run in 2024. I do not want to vote for him again, but I will if I have to, I guess.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:59 am I wished that Joe Biden was not the Dem nominee in 2020 and I certainly wish he was not the nominee in 2024. He is too old and so is Trump. Neither are competent choices for this job. I wish that our system was brave enough to move on from both of them.

This.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:02 am I do NOT think Biden is the most qualified person to be President of the United States.

I do think Biden is the best of the 2 choices we currently have.


His ego is way too big to drop out and let a different Dem take the nomination, but I hope somehow he decides not to run in 2024. I do not want to vote for him again, but I will if I have to, I guess.

I agree with all of this except I do not think it is ego that is pushing him to stay in this. I think it is in response to the polling and voting that has led him to believe that other Dem choices would not beat Trump. I think that if Trump had chosen not to run again that Biden would not have run again, either.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:05 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:02 am I do NOT think Biden is the most qualified person to be President of the United States.

I do think Biden is the best of the 2 choices we currently have.


His ego is way too big to drop out and let a different Dem take the nomination, but I hope somehow he decides not to run in 2024. I do not want to vote for him again, but I will if I have to, I guess.

I agree with all of this except I do not think it is ego that is pushing him to stay in this. I think it is in response to the polling and voting that has led him to believe that other Dem choices would not beat Trump. I think that if Trump had chosen not to run again that Biden would not have run again, either.

Unfortunately, I think what we’re seeing is a games/prizes thing on his VP pick.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:09 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:05 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:02 am I do NOT think Biden is the most qualified person to be President of the United States.

I do think Biden is the best of the 2 choices we currently have.


His ego is way too big to drop out and let a different Dem take the nomination, but I hope somehow he decides not to run in 2024. I do not want to vote for him again, but I will if I have to, I guess.

I agree with all of this except I do not think it is ego that is pushing him to stay in this. I think it is in response to the polling and voting that has led him to believe that other Dem choices would not beat Trump. I think that if Trump had chosen not to run again that Biden would not have run again, either.

Unfortunately, I think what we’re seeing is a games/prizes thing on his VP pick.

With today's current environment, anyone that was picked as Biden's VP was likely going to be politically poisoned. I think the days of the VP just rolling is as the next pick might be behind us due to the vitriol, both real and fake, that gets shot at any sitting Presidential administration. Frankly, I am glad they didn't waste a good candidate by making them be Biden's VP.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:49 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 8:56 am “My memory’s fine. My memory’s — take a look at what I’ve done since I became president. … How did that happen? I guess I just forgot what was going on,” he said, striking a sarcastic tone during a rare and at times contentious press conference from the Diplomatic Reception Room.

fish has made this point before, but it’s worth reiterating. hell, i forget posts i’ve made on here in the past week. you may not agree with Biden’s policies, but he is absolutely getting things done and legislating

You do realize he has people with their hands up his ass. Right?
In the past month the man has publicly stated he's had conversations with multiple people he did NOT have conversations with. Some of whom are dead. He was confused when thinking about when he was Vice President. He either didn't know how/where/when his son died - or he knowing lied about it.
Heck, yesterday when trying to defend his mental competence he mistook/confused Mexico and/with Gaza.
"Forgetful" or not, the man is mentally lost way too often - for being the President of the United States.
If that doesn't concern you, or Fish, or others on here, so be it. It concerns A LOT of people (including me). Enough people that it very well may be the difference between his getting elected - or not.

i don’t like that the options are Biden or trump

i know Biden’s mental faculties are slipping

i still prefer Biden over trump

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:17 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:49 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 8:56 am “My memory’s fine. My memory’s — take a look at what I’ve done since I became president. … How did that happen? I guess I just forgot what was going on,” he said, striking a sarcastic tone during a rare and at times contentious press conference from the Diplomatic Reception Room.

fish has made this point before, but it’s worth reiterating. hell, i forget posts i’ve made on here in the past week. you may not agree with Biden’s policies, but he is absolutely getting things done and legislating

You do realize he has people with their hands up his ass. Right?
In the past month the man has publicly stated he's had conversations with multiple people he did NOT have conversations with. Some of whom are dead. He was confused when thinking about when he was Vice President. He either didn't know how/where/when his son died - or he knowing lied about it.
Heck, yesterday when trying to defend his mental competence he mistook/confused Mexico and/with Gaza.
"Forgetful" or not, the man is mentally lost way too often - for being the President of the United States.
If that doesn't concern you, or Fish, or others on here, so be it. It concerns A LOT of people (including me). Enough people that it very well may be the difference between his getting elected - or not.

i don’t like that the options are Biden or trump

i know Biden’s mental faculties are slipping

i still prefer Biden over trump

My guess is that the list of Dems I would vote for over Trump is pretty long. They'd have to roll all the way down to Sen. Bob Menendez before they'd get to someone that would force me to simply sit out vs. to vote against Trump.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:14 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:09 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:05 am

I agree with all of this except I do not think it is ego that is pushing him to stay in this. I think it is in response to the polling and voting that has led him to believe that other Dem choices would not beat Trump. I think that if Trump had chosen not to run again that Biden would not have run again, either.

Unfortunately, I think what we’re seeing is a games/prizes thing on his VP pick.

With today's current environment, anyone that was picked as Biden's VP was likely going to be politically poisoned. I think the days of the VP just rolling is as the next pick might be behind us due to the vitriol, both real and fake, that gets shot at any sitting Presidential administration. Frankly, I am glad they didn't waste a good candidate by making them be Biden's VP.

I mean, there’s a decent argument to be made that electing Obama in 2008 is what begat the 2016 result. But that’s for another day I guess.

I don’t know if Biden would have won in 2020 with a candidate who would have been electable in 2024. Certainly ONE strategy would have been for that to have been the open and outspoken plan.

But now the Ds are stuck. Harris can’t win at the top of the ticket. But Biden probably can’t afford, politically, to punt on her (regardless of whether or not that would be justified).

There is only the choice between democracy and a failed state until Trump is banished.

Obama's skin color had nothing to do with what led to 2016. Not surprising Fish would assume that. It was the continuation of the status quo that people were tired of. Nothing really improved since Clinton, Bush II and Obama. It was all the same fabric. Trump, despite his long list of flaws, was something outside the box. When you make people more poor and desperate from years and decades of bad government, why were people surprised that people voted for the guy outside the box?

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:05 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:02 am I do NOT think Biden is the most qualified person to be President of the United States.

I do think Biden is the best of the 2 choices we currently have.


His ego is way too big to drop out and let a different Dem take the nomination, but I hope somehow he decides not to run in 2024. I do not want to vote for him again, but I will if I have to, I guess.

I agree with all of this except I do not think it is ego that is pushing him to stay in this. I think it is in response to the polling and voting that has led him to believe that other Dem choices would not beat Trump. I think that if Trump had chosen not to run again that Biden would not have run again, either.

I think it's all ego.

I also think he knows Trump is about the only person he can beat.

Cassandra wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:19 am Obama's skin color had nothing to do with what led to 2016. Not surprising Fish would assume that. It was the continuation of the status quo that people were tired of. Nothing really improved since Clinton, Bush II and Obama. It was all the same fabric. Trump, despite his long list of flaws, was something outside the box. When you make people more poor and desperate from years and decades of bad government, why were people surprised that people voted for the guy outside the box?

You mean, despite that outsider's decades long history of fraud and self-enrichment at the expense of every day citizens, making them poorer so he could get richer?!?

Trump was actually very popular before he even ran. Lots of people liked him on those TV shows he was on. He didn't turn into a "white supremacist" until the media realized he wasn't on board with their agenda.

Cassandra wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 11:30 am Trump was actually very popular before he even ran. Lots of people liked him on those TV shows he was on. He didn't turn into a "white supremacist" until the media realized he wasn't on board with their agenda.

JFC, he was first charged by the Justice Department with racial discrimination in his housing policies back in 1973. Voters were made well aware of this back in 2016.

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/49595592 ... ation-case

a perfect example of why lobster gets called an idiot and deserves zero respect

blatant disregard for well-established and objective fact

I thought it was interesting that Fox financial analysts have determined that spreading immigration around to areas in labor shortage has been a boon to the economy.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:51 am

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:31 pm I mean...this is from his OWN DoJ...

I think you are aware of how your framing is misleading.

Qui, moi?

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:49 am
Heck, yesterday when trying to defend his mental competence he mistook/confused Mexico and/with Gaza.

He certainly did not. It was Egypt. Idiots who are not going to vote for him in the first place don’t know the difference and don’t care. After all “they’re all just (insert racist invective)”.

You know better, Gutter!

zsn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:36 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:49 am
Heck, yesterday when trying to defend his mental competence he mistook/confused Mexico and/with Gaza.

He certainly did not. It was Egypt. Idiots who are not going to vote for him in the first place don’t know the difference and don’t care. After all “they’re all just (insert racist invective)”.

You know better, Gutter!

Yes, I do know better. I stand corrected.
He said the President of Mexico Sisi did not want to open the gate to allow humanitarian aid.
Yes, el/al Sisi is the President of Egypt.
Biden was initially talking about Gaza. Then he became confused. Or at least flustered. He kept stumbling despite having some type of cheat sheet he kept looking down at.
That was my basic point.
I have my own issues with "mental (in)competence" and aging. Thankfully I'm not the President of the United States. Unfortunately Joe Biden may be as many as just under 5 years more.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:05 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:02 am I do NOT think Biden is the most qualified person to be President of the United States.

I do think Biden is the best of the 2 choices we currently have.


His ego is way too big to drop out and let a different Dem take the nomination, but I hope somehow he decides not to run in 2024. I do not want to vote for him again, but I will if I have to, I guess.

I agree with all of this except I do not think it is ego that is pushing him to stay in this. I think it is in response to the polling and voting that has led him to believe that other Dem choices would not beat Trump. I think that if Trump had chosen not to run again that Biden would not have run again, either.

^^^ What twocoach said.

I remember thinking it was a joke in '88 when I heard Joe was running for president, and it was no surprise to me when he didn't last long. I figured it was, like for lots of candidates, an effort to get what national exposure he could, in the not unlikely event he might want to run again.

Biden was no higher than my third choice going into the Democratic presidential primary election, in what I considered to be a weak field. But, he managed to capture the imaginations of Democrats who more than anything wanted someone who could beat Trump, and thank God, they were right.

Sadly, Biden's decades-long habit of misspeaking has gotten progressively worse with age, which comes as a surprise to no one. But, his judgement?

He arguably accomplished more in his first two years than nearly all other presidents have in their four-year first terms. Like Biden, Trump had both houses of congress in his party's control in his first two years in office, and other than a huge tax cut worsening the national debt, appointing two Supreme Court justices, and shutting the government down for 35 days, the longest length of time in our nation's history, because democrats wouldn't pick up the bill when Egypt, I mean, Mexico, would't pay for the wall Trump promised they would, what accomplishments can he point to?

I'll spare you opining about the fascist, existential threat Trump poses to our republic...

IMO. Biden has what he thinks is right for the American people at heart. Biden isn't trying to divide us. If Biden is elected, we can count on having another election in 2028, which isn't something Trump supporters can claim, especially since NY Republican Representative Stefanik and Ohio Republican Senator JD Vance, both auditioning to be Trump's VP, announced in the last ~ 24 hours that unlike Mike Pence, they would not have certified the vote, Biden's victory, had they been VP in 2020.

Like everyone, I wish Biden was younger. Changing candidates now would be political suicide.

Biden gets things done, and I find no reason to question his judgement. If his fastball was 92 when he was elected, it's what, 87 to 88, now?

The alternative is unthinkable.