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Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:53 pm
by pdub
NDballer13 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:45 pm
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:07 pm
Well, Self didn't exactly welcome him back with open arms. He was extremely hesitant.
Which played into why I expected more. Vick had to have done something to convince Self he wasn't returning as the same person/player.
He is having a similar season as Svi did last year.
More PPG on a better %.
There's just not a good 3rd guy to help him ( i.e. Malik ).
Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:06 pm
by PortlandHawk
I’m sure someone has made this point but it should be reiterated: Vick isn’t reliable but if we had only one of Svi, Malik, Devonte, or Vick last year, we probably would have felt similarly. It helped to have 4 great-to-good shooters at one time. We don’t have that luxury really. Every three from Vick is needed and ones from Ochai, Grimes, Dotson, and Garrett are gravy at this point.
Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:18 pm
by pdub
PortlandHawk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:06 pm
I’m sure someone has made this point but it should be reiterated: Vick isn’t reliable but if we had only one of Svi, Malik, Devonte, or Vick last year, we probably would have felt similarly. It helped to have 4 great-to-good shooters at one time. We don’t have that luxury really. Every three from Vick is needed and ones from Ochai, Grimes, Dotson, and Garrett are gravy at this point.
I'd have taken Devonte in a heart beat over Vick and same with Malik.
Svi I'm not so sure of - he is a spot up shooter and had some action to the basket, but couldn't create the space to get his shot of like Vick can. I think they'd be similarly frustrating.
Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:27 pm
by NDballer13
PortlandHawk wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:06 pm
I’m sure someone has made this point but it should be reiterated: Vick isn’t reliable but if we had only one of Svi, Malik, Devonte, or Vick last year, we probably would have felt similarly. It helped to have 4 great-to-good shooters at one time. We don’t have that luxury really. Every three from Vick is needed and ones from Ochai, Grimes, Dotson, and Garrett are gravy at this point.
If they are in a spot with a must have 3, is Agbaji the 2nd option? For a 40% shooter, I'm just not fully confident in Dotson taking a 3. To his credit, he takes good ones to help his percentage. Release is just a touch slower than the rest in a situation where the defense is guarding the 3 point line.
Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:34 pm
by pdub
I would say Ochai is our second best perimeter shooter.
Form is pretty good, doesn't hesitate.
Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:22 pm
by PortlandHawk
I have to agree, Ochai or even Dedric, for better or worse, are the next guys I have confidence in behind Vick to shoot threes.
Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:48 pm
by Geezer
And that speaks volumes about this team.
Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:36 pm
by Lonestarjayhawk
Good to know people understand my jokes...
Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:52 pm
by vmlb
trey individual %
LV 455
DD 400
OA 357
QG 329
KJL and DL 294
Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:04 pm
by PortlandHawk
Geezer wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:48 pm
And that speaks volumes about this team.
I agree. We are flawed but still good. Add Silvio back in(praise the most high it happens) and we can go back to being somewhat like we were before Dok was hurt. Silvio could be even better than Doke in some respects(rebounding and free throws) which could be interesting.
Re: Vick
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:21 pm
by DrPepper
Kentucky defended Vick Very well and by design. This KU team doesn’t have very many dimensions to focus a defense on.
Last year, an opponent had to guard the three line against ALL our guards. That is woefully and laughably not the case this year.
Vick is long and fast on defense. He doesn’t get rattled nor emotional. Sometimes he lapses on the tertiary step of our defense in the 25th second of the shot clock.
List me as a Vick fan.
Re: Vick
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:12 am
by pdub
Vick is long and fast but doesn’t press his man and doesn’t track quickly and gives up on plays.
I’d say he’s an average defender most nights. Sometimes above average.
Re: Vick
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:23 pm
by PhDhawk
Re: Vick
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:34 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
Lonestarjayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:12 pm
Maybe it is time to move Vick to the Sixth Man...tell him his job is to come and heat up the scoring. Give his spot to David Mac and move Detric back to #4.
Dotson
Grimes
Garrett
Detric
David Mac
Vick - Sixth Man
Lonestarjayhawk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:41 pm
I am not saying that Vick isn't a valuable part of the team. I am questioning how he is best used. There are games that he disappears. 35 minutes per game may be too much for Vick. He is a scorer who isn't scoring. Focus him.
I don't buy that Lawson can't play with another Big. He did okay with Dok. He hasn't played many minutes with David. He has played ZERO official minutes with SDS. Take David's name out and replace with Agbaji.
Lonestar says suck on deez nuts.
Re: Vick
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:38 pm
by Soklous
Ochai gets the start, Vick is out. 6th man... maybe.
Re: Vick
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:39 pm
by twocoach
Vick benched. Agbaji into starting lineup tonight. Please be an attempt at motivation and not a punishment.
Re: Vick
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:42 pm
by ousdahl
Please no Laura Bauer...
Please no Laura Bauer...
Please no Laura Bauer...
Re: Vick
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:52 pm
by Soklous
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:39 pm
Vick benched. Agbaji into starting lineup tonight. Please be an attempt at motivation and not a punishment.
Motivation for a senior 20 games in sounds way worse than punishment.
Re: Vick
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:11 pm
by Lonestarjayhawk
Self is smart coach...
Re: Vick
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:02 pm
by ChalkRocker
Ride Pine, Vick...
