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pdub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:18 pm I'll eat crow, weirdly since most if you want Dave to fail for some odd vendetta ( tho it's in our interest if he crushes it ) if he doesnt round back to his junior numbers come conference.

It was the same thing with a lot of you and Dok, as if bigs arent skillful.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:30 pm Look where he catches the ball, it's all over the place. When he has good position, he almost always scores.

Maybe he just doesn't work hard every play pre-catch like the Udoka's, Cole's, Collison's, etc. of the world because he is plenty big and athletic enough that he should be winning position every time.

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:26 pm I dont think our offense will flow through him but he needs to be there to establish the space and threat. Designed plays for sure but also screens for Chai and Remy.

Dave also, though he, like everyone, missed some plays on D, is our best post defender and does alter shots at the rim.

So yes, if Dave repeats his numbers, but Ochai becomes the AA I thought he would, and sophomore Wilson improves and Remy contributes, yes, win win.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:33 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:30 pm Look where he catches the ball, it's all over the place. When he has good position, he almost always scores.

Maybe he just doesn't work hard every play pre-catch like the Udoka's, Cole's, Collison's, etc. of the world because he is plenty big and athletic enough that he should be winning position every time.

I think there’s a lot of truth in that. I think he also tries to use his upper body too much when trying to get a physical advantage, rather than his hips and legs.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:30 pm Look where he catches the ball, it's all over the place. When he has good position, he almost always scores.

Maybe he just doesn't work hard every play pre-catch like the Udoka's, Cole's, Collison's, etc. of the world because he is plenty big and athletic enough that he should be winning position every time.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:33 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:26 pm I dont think our offense will flow through him but he needs to be there to establish the space and threat. Designed plays for sure but also screens for Chai and Remy.

Dave also, though he, like everyone, missed some plays on D, is our best post defender and does alter shots at the rim.

So yes, if Dave repeats his numbers, but Ochai becomes the AA I thought he would, and sophomore Wilson improves and Remy contributes, yes, win win.

I know it's hard for some to understand, but for our offense to work efficiently it helps to be able to throw it inside to Dave. Even if he doesn't shoot, the defense moves, and it creates space for the guys we want taking the shots (och and remy).

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:35 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:33 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:26 pm I dont think our offense will flow through him but he needs to be there to establish the space and threat. Designed plays for sure but also screens for Chai and Remy.

Dave also, though he, like everyone, missed some plays on D, is our best post defender and does alter shots at the rim.

So yes, if Dave repeats his numbers, but Ochai becomes the AA I thought he would, and sophomore Wilson improves and Remy contributes, yes, win win.

I know it's hard for some to understand, but for our offense to work efficiently it helps to be able to throw it inside to Dave. Even if he doesn't shoot, the defense moves, and it creates space for the guys we want taking the shots (och and remy).

He ALWAYS shoots, though.

But I agree we absolutely need Dave to score. No one has argued otherwise.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:36 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:35 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:33 pm

I know it's hard for some to understand, but for our offense to work efficiently it helps to be able to throw it inside to Dave. Even if he doesn't shoot, the defense moves, and it creates space for the guys we want taking the shots (och and remy).

He ALWAYS shoots, though.

But I agree we absolutely need Dave to score. No one has argued otherwise.

Ya. He rarely passes out. It's so frustrating. He misses more bunnies than Sasha Kaun it feels like, but maybe that's just because he shoots more.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:35 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:33 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:26 pm I dont think our offense will flow through him but he needs to be there to establish the space and threat. Designed plays for sure but also screens for Chai and Remy.

Dave also, though he, like everyone, missed some plays on D, is our best post defender and does alter shots at the rim.

So yes, if Dave repeats his numbers, but Ochai becomes the AA I thought he would, and sophomore Wilson improves and Remy contributes, yes, win win.

I know it's hard for some to understand, but for our offense to work efficiently it helps to be able to throw it inside to Dave. Even if he doesn't shoot, the defense moves, and it creates space for the guys we want taking the shots (och and remy).

He ALWAYS shoots, though.

But I agree we absolutely need Dave to score. No one has argued otherwise.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:42 pm Can we get more downhill ball movement from the guards?

A quick drive and dish would prob be a lot better for Dave scoring than this whole deliberate outside-in pass from stationary perimeter guys

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:38 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:36 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:35 pm

He ALWAYS shoots, though.

But I agree we absolutely need Dave to score. No one has argued otherwise.

Ya. He rarely passes out. It's so frustrating. He misses more bunnies than Sasha Kaun it feels like, but maybe that's just because he shoots more.

It's a bad situation for him when he plays like that because the guards stopped looking for him tonight. And can't really blame 'em.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:45 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:42 pm Can we get more downhill ball movement from the guards?

A quick drive and dish would prob be a lot better for Dave scoring than this whole deliberate outside-in pass from stationary perimeter guys

He really doesn't do a good job getting open when people drive anyway, but Och and CB are good at cutting away from the ball, so hopefully Remy and those 2 + Jalen will begin to get more comfortable together.

I haven't lost hope. I am frustrated with a few players. VERY frustrated with Self. But we are still very good.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:49 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:45 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:42 pm Can we get more downhill ball movement from the guards?

A quick drive and dish would prob be a lot better for Dave scoring than this whole deliberate outside-in pass from stationary perimeter guys

He really doesn't do a good job getting open when people drive anyway, but Och and CB are good at cutting away from the ball, so hopefully Remy and those 2 + Jalen will begin to get more comfortable together.

I haven't lost hope. I am frustrated with a few players. VERY frustrated with Self. But we are still very good.

If I were Remy Martin I'd tell Self that the reason he worked so hard to get Remy here was to put the ball in his hands in that exact end-of-game scenario. Work on Dave's confidence the next game.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:30 pm Look where he catches the ball, it's all over the place. When he has good position, he almost always scores.

Maybe he just doesn't work hard every play pre-catch like the Udoka's, Cole's, Collison's, etc. of the world because he is plenty big and athletic enough that he should be winning position every time.