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KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:31 am yeah, Ukraine should just re-draw their borders because vlad is playing neighborhood bully

seriously?

we should all get along now? after this aggression? after crimea? after georgia?

have you not learned anything?

hugs, kisses, and kumbaya will only embolden putin (and other world leaders cut from the same cloth) further. news flash, ousie, we’re not all gonna magically get along. there are assholes in this world, regardless of how many flowers you put in their rifle barrels.

japhy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:33 am

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:04 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:15 pm Former ambassador to Russia has a message for our boy Qus

Just spitballing here: Biden stops acting like some boomer imperialist in a dick measuring contest and acts like the bigger person and calls Putin and says those drones will back off if those evil commie Soviets ceases fire too. Let’s not do something dumb here like world war 3.

And - since Q’s such a foreign policy expert and shit now - let’s concede parts of Ukraine for other parts of Ukraine or whatever, depending on whatever Ukraine wants to do.

And maybe we concede the red States to trump and declare him president of those so he will stop causing chaos here in the US?

Fuck appeasement.

putin is too much of a narcissist to put himself in actual danger of dying, just like his meat puppet trump. And putin can't afford to be poor, the rest of the oligarchs will roast him on a spit. They may already be discussing it in private. putin overreached. He didn't expect NATO to circle the wagons the way they have. Even the putin wing of the GQP is coming under fire for backing that whiney little pasty ass reptilian bitch putin. The GQP overreached as well. The more they publicly sober over putin's tiny dick and roll in the mud with the white supremacists the more they turn off voters. This might hurt them come election time.

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:58 am Speaking of propaganda…

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:03 am is this Q's lobster moment?


I agree the amount of wrong information and propaganda is astounding. I agree none of us know the truths about 98% of this.

But, this approach of defending the aggressor by way of slandering and generalizing the attacked is......odd. The entrenched stance in the face of potentially more reliable information is....lobster like.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:18 am

japhy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:33 am

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:04 pm

Just spitballing here: Biden stops acting like some boomer imperialist in a dick measuring contest and acts like the bigger person and calls Putin and says those drones will back off if those evil commie Soviets ceases fire too. Let’s not do something dumb here like world war 3.

And - since Q’s such a foreign policy expert and shit now - let’s concede parts of Ukraine for other parts of Ukraine or whatever, depending on whatever Ukraine wants to do.

And maybe we concede the red States to trump and declare him president of those so he will stop causing chaos here in the US?

Fuck appeasement.

putin is too much of a narcissist to put himself in actual danger of dying, just like his meat puppet trump. And putin can't afford to be poor, the rest of the oligarchs will roast him on a spit. They may already be discussing it in private. putin overreached. He didn't expect NATO to circle the wagons the way they have. Even the putin wing of the GQP is coming under fire for backing that whiney little pasty ass reptilian bitch putin. The GQP overreached as well. The more they publicly sober over putin's tiny dick and roll in the mud with the white supremacists the more they turn off voters. This might hurt them come election time.

Very dangerous to be Putin right now. He's losing support on both ends (oligarchs AND proletariats).

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:18 am

japhy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:33 am

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:04 pm

Just spitballing here: Biden stops acting like some boomer imperialist in a dick measuring contest and acts like the bigger person and calls Putin and says those drones will back off if those evil commie Soviets ceases fire too. Let’s not do something dumb here like world war 3.

And - since Q’s such a foreign policy expert and shit now - let’s concede parts of Ukraine for other parts of Ukraine or whatever, depending on whatever Ukraine wants to do.

And maybe we concede the red States to trump and declare him president of those so he will stop causing chaos here in the US?

Fuck appeasement.

putin is too much of a narcissist to put himself in actual danger of dying, just like his meat puppet trump. And putin can't afford to be poor, the rest of the oligarchs will roast him on a spit. They may already be discussing it in private. putin overreached. He didn't expect NATO to circle the wagons the way they have. Even the putin wing of the GQP is coming under fire for backing that whiney little pasty ass reptilian bitch putin. The GQP overreached as well. The more they publicly sober over putin's tiny dick and roll in the mud with the white supremacists the more they turn off voters. This might hurt them come election time.

Very dangerous to be Putin right now. He's losing support on both ends (oligarchs AND proletariats).

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:16 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:31 am yeah, Ukraine should just re-draw their borders because vlad is playing neighborhood bully

seriously?

we should all get along now? after this aggression? after crimea? after georgia?

have you not learned anything?

hugs, kisses, and kumbaya will only embolden putin (and other world leaders cut from the same cloth) further. news flash, ousie, we’re not all gonna magically get along. there are assholes in this world, regardless of how many flowers you put in their rifle barrels.

I've been thinking about this a lot this morning. The most obvious offramp here is letting Russia keep the Donbas (make it like Crimea I guess), BUT...knowing what we know, among other good reasons that's a terrible idea, it would be insanely fucking stupid to let the effective border with Russia move any closer to the cities.

I do wonder if there's going to be backroom pressure on Zelensky from EU/NATO on this point, though, perhaps even to the point of offering admission if Ukraine will offer this path.

If I'm Ukraine, though, (1) fuck off, and (2) any negotiated resolution must include (a) Russia's agreement to not have offensive equipment within [xxx] KM from the border, and (b) the renewal of Open Skies.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:37 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:16 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:31 am yeah, Ukraine should just re-draw their borders because vlad is playing neighborhood bully

seriously?

we should all get along now? after this aggression? after crimea? after georgia?

have you not learned anything?

hugs, kisses, and kumbaya will only embolden putin (and other world leaders cut from the same cloth) further. news flash, ousie, we’re not all gonna magically get along. there are assholes in this world, regardless of how many flowers you put in their rifle barrels.

I've been thinking about this a lot this morning. The most obvious offramp here is letting Russia keep the Donbas (make it like Crimea I guess), BUT...knowing what we know, among other good reasons that's a terrible idea, it would be insanely fucking stupid to let the effective border with Russia move any closer to the cities.

I do wonder if there's going to be backroom pressure on Zelensky from EU/NATO on this point, though, perhaps even to the point of offering admission if Ukraine will offer this path.

If I'm Ukraine, though, (1) fuck off, and (2) any negotiated resolution must include (a) Russia's agreement to not have offensive equipment within [xxx] KM from the border, and (b) the renewal of Open Skies.

If someone breaks into your house and refuses to leave, you shouldn't have to give them ownership of a portion of your property to get them to leave. Russia can get fucked back to the Stone Age for all I care. Russia should get anything but a bill to clean up their mess.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:37 am Russia can get fucked back to the Stone Age for all I care. Russia should get anything but a bill to clean up their mess.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:40 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:37 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:16 am

I've been thinking about this a lot this morning. The most obvious offramp here is letting Russia keep the Donbas (make it like Crimea I guess), BUT...knowing what we know, among other good reasons that's a terrible idea, it would be insanely fucking stupid to let the effective border with Russia move any closer to the cities.

I do wonder if there's going to be backroom pressure on Zelensky from EU/NATO on this point, though, perhaps even to the point of offering admission if Ukraine will offer this path.

If I'm Ukraine, though, (1) fuck off, and (2) any negotiated resolution must include (a) Russia's agreement to not have offensive equipment within [xxx] KM from the border, and (b) the renewal of Open Skies.

If someone breaks into your house and refuses to leave, you shouldn't have to give them ownership of a portion of your property to get them to leave. Russia can get fucked back to the Stone Age for all I care. Russia should get anything but a bill to clean up their mess.

That's all well and good, except that a disturbingly high number of branches on the outcomes tree here end with global thermonuclear war.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:44 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:40 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:37 am
If someone breaks into your house and refuses to leave, you shouldn't have to give them ownership of a portion of your property to get them to leave. Russia can get fucked back to the Stone Age for all I care. Russia should get anything but a bill to clean up their mess.

That's all well and good, except that a disturbingly high number of branches on the outcomes tree here end with global thermonuclear war.

I personally feel that Putin is too vain and self absorbed to do something as silly as launch nuclear weapons. Russians are driven to accumulate wealth and power and you can't enjoy having those things if you are dead. Russians don't tend to be the overreactive hissy fit types.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:48 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:44 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:40 am

That's all well and good, except that a disturbingly high number of branches on the outcomes tree here end with global thermonuclear war.

I personally feel that Putin is too vain and self absorbed to do something as silly as launch nuclear weapons. Russians are driven to accumulate wealth and power and you can't enjoy having those things if you are dead. Russians don't tend to be the overreactive hissy fit types.

But, what's the acceptable degree of risk in the case you're wrong? A 1% chance of you being wrong? 0.1%? 0.00001%?

The problem is there's no coming back from being wrong. At best, you're looking at hundreds of thousands dead and a new world order that will take at least the rest of our lives to sort.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:48 am Mich and dahl are on complete opposite sides of what I thought they would be with this conflict.

What a board.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:50 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:48 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:44 am

I personally feel that Putin is too vain and self absorbed to do something as silly as launch nuclear weapons. Russians are driven to accumulate wealth and power and you can't enjoy having those things if you are dead. Russians don't tend to be the overreactive hissy fit types.

But, what's the acceptable degree of risk in the case you're wrong? A 1% chance of you being wrong? 0.1%? 0.00001%?

The problem is there's no coming back from being wrong. At best, you're looking at hundreds of thousands dead and a new world order that will take at least the rest of our lives to sort.

There is ZERO risk in me being wrong because I do not make any decisions that have any impact to the situation. I assume that the decision makers have a better feel for the risk and are acting accordingly.

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:52 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:48 am Mich and dahl are on complete opposite sides of what I thought they would be with this conflict.

What a board.

What side you think I’m on, exactly?