Kansas Crimson

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:40 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:23 pm I disagree with about everything HB said. Unlike some, I do not think he should be traded/cut. Rice actually hurt people and is still part of the team.

Yeah, it would seem logical to think that if Rice (and other players) can get away with being a danger to society and general assholes, what Butker did pales x 1,000 in comparison. However, ~ half the population of the country might not necessarily think so.

I think he has every right to say whatever he likes as long as he's willing to suffer the consequences, (At least he didn't take a knee!), and I haven't taken any position as far as whether he should stay or go. But I also think the Chiefs, as a privately held co., have every right, (within the constraints of their employment contracts), to do whatever they think they need to do to be successful and protect their product and brand, whether that involves Rice, Butker, or whoever.

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:53 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:46 pm

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:40 pm

Yeah, it would seem logical to think that if Rice (and other players) can get away with being a danger to society and general assholes, what Butker did pales x 1,000 in comparison. However, ~ half the population of the country might not necessarily think so.

I think he has every right to say whatever he likes as long as he's willing to suffer the consequences, (At least he didn't take a knee!), and I haven't taken any position as far as whether he should stay or go. But I also think the Chiefs, as a privately held co., have every right, (within the constraints of their employment contracts), to do whatever they think they need to do to be successful and protect their product and brand, whether that involves Rice, Butker, or whoever.

At some point, though, you can't have the Brady Morningstars of the world getting the DUIs.

The second (?) most famous guy on the team is dating the most famous woman (?) in the world. Who happens to be an outspoken lefty.

The fuck good does it do to have the kicker lighting brushfires that can very foreseeably turn into locker-room-melting conflagrations?

Yeah, calling Taylor and Travis out by inference in the speech seems beyond tone deaf, and like an blatant attempt to take his notoriety to another level, well above his grade.

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:54 pm

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:40 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:23 pm I disagree with about everything HB said. Unlike some, I do not think he should be traded/cut. Rice actually hurt people and is still part of the team.

Yeah, it would seem logical to think that if Rice (and other players) can get away with being a danger to society and general assholes, what Butker did pales x 1,000 in comparison. However, ~ half the population of the country might not necessarily think so.

I think he has every right to say whatever he likes as long as he's willing to suffer the consequences, (At least he didn't take a knee!), and I haven't taken any position as far as whether he should stay or go. But I also think the Chiefs, as a privately held co., have every right, (within the constraints of their employment contracts), to do whatever they think they need to do to be successful and protect their product and brand, whether that involves Rice, Butker, or whoever.

I don't know, but I get the feeling that the billionaire oil dude shares at least some of HB's beliefs.

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:54 pm

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:40 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:23 pm I disagree with about everything HB said. Unlike some, I do not think he should be traded/cut. Rice actually hurt people and is still part of the team.

Yeah, it would seem logical to think that if Rice (and other players) can get away with being a danger to society and general assholes, what Butker did pales x 1,000 in comparison. However, ~ half the population of the country might not necessarily think so.

I think he has every right to say whatever he likes as long as he's willing to suffer the consequences, (At least he didn't take a knee!), and I haven't taken any position as far as whether he should stay or go. But I also think the Chiefs, as a privately held co., have every right, (within the constraints of their employment contracts), to do whatever they think they need to do to be successful and protect their product and brand, whether that involves Rice, Butker, or whoever.

I don't know, but I get the feeling that the billionaire oil dude shares at least some of HB's beliefs.

Overlander wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 9:34 pm Just a good dude

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Before it can go away entirely, and before Butker can return to Being Unapologetic In His Masculinity in a corner of the locker room that people take great care to avoid, everyone needs to get on the record. The NFL, in response to the kicker's broadsides against diversity, reiterated its institutional dedication to inclusion. GLAAD pointed out that it was a strange choice on Butker's part to celebrate the proud graduates by treating them to a tight 20 minutes of free-associative Trad Cath boilerplate. The Benedictine Sisters of Mount St. Scholastica, the co-founding institution of Benedictine College, put a big statement on the front page of their website saying that they "do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested." Kansas City's official Twitter account made a point of noting that Butker does not actually live in Kansas City.

Our broader politics are not what you would call "healthy," but if you rap its knee with that little rubber mallet, some part of it will reflexively jump to support a kicker whose own teammate doesn't speak with him. Kansas City's Twitter account took its post down after Missouri's distressingly online attorney general put up a post "demanding accountability" for having "doxxed" the kicker; the city's mayor implored Butker Defense Squad members "seeking to harass, bully, and intimidate [that] have sent slurs and threats to and shared photos of women employees with no involvement with recent City posts" to "please just stop." Butker's jersey began selling briskly to people willing to entrust Fanatics with its goal of doing whatever the opposite of virtue signaling is. In acknowledgement of Butker's clammy cover version of his masculinist reactionary pablum, Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley reaffirmed their friendship by posting an alarmingly glossy photo of the two, seemingly acting as co-hosts of a show called Normal Guys Tonight.

As a text, Butker's speech does not provide much to hang your hat on. It is a trad placekicker's tremulous gripes about contraception and women working outside the home and Covid and whatever else, just a big pious blurt. He took the stage like a teapot boiling with grievance, and did not explain himself or address the graduates so much as he tipped himself over and poured himself out. This fit with the alternately goofy and vile tradition of commencement addresses, in which young people at a point of momentous transition in their lives must first pause to be upbraided by a wealthy stranger for some amount of time and on the topic of the stranger's choosing.

A sort of loneliness radiates from Butker's speech; there is the sense, in his words as in Aaron Rodgers's increasingly dire podcast riff sessions, that all of this displeasure has been bubbling away in there for quite some time without an outlet. Mostly, though, there is just disdain, not just for all the sinful things of the world but seemingly everyone and everything else in it. This routine is dull and grating when a credentialed elite careerist like Hawley does it—watch this Yale Law grad and Blackstone Legal Fellow doing his best to hit those church-in-the-mall beats on The Power Of Purpose—and it is not any more compelling when the guy who kicked the longest field goal in Super Bowl history nervously recites his grievances at a bunch of college kids from out of a three-ring binder.

As a dull provocation from a middling student of some extremely dull provocateurs, Butker's speech is at least illustrative. There is no room for anyone else in this worldview, no space for anyone to live or breathe. It's striking how Butker is unable or uninterested to connect his own faith with those of the coreligionists listening to him; this whole belief system vibrates at the frequency of cable news, and so there's nothing for him to share but a list of demands. If Butker's speech works as a commencement address, it is only as an opportunity for new graduates to learn how they will be treated by the sour and vengeful mediocrities who are also the most powerful people in the world they are joining: as a series of shadows whose only purpose is to be harangued, so that they might learn to be less displeasing. The advice Butker offered at Benedictine College is not really trying to be a part of any kind of conversation. It's just a kicker moving further and further out, to see what he can get away with.

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 6:58 pm And, of course, Butker jerseys are flying off the shelves.

This country fucking sucks

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 8:53 pm So I've skimmed the transcript now....

Basically he said he doesn't think catholics should take birth control, he thinks women should primarily be homemakers, and that the violence in our country is partly attributable to the absentee father rate.

Is there something I missed where he said something about Taylor and Travis?

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 8:53 pm So I've skimmed the transcript now....

Basically he said he doesn't think catholics should take birth control, he thinks women should primarily be homemakers, and that the violence in our country is partly attributable to the absentee father rate.

Is there something I missed where he said something about Taylor and Travis?

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 8:50 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 6:58 pm And, of course, Butker jerseys are flying off the shelves.

This country fucking sucks

It's bizarre.

Shirley wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 10:21 pm Democrats talked for over 2 straight days to protect our rights.

Let's talk about a big win for people in Missouri....