Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:49 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:46 am As it stands we'd probably start

DH
Zeke
Kugel
Kj
Bidunga

Unless we land someone in the nature of Johnell Davis, I would be very surprised (assuming he's here) if Jackson isn't starting.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 12:40 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:49 am

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:46 am As it stands we'd probably start

DH
Zeke
Kugel
Kj
Bidunga

Unless we land someone in the nature of Johnell Davis, I would be very surprised (assuming he's here) if Jackson isn't starting.

I think Zeke starts over him today. without the summer to get used to the team.

Shit, Timberlake started over him. Timberlake!

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 1:21 pm We also might be sleeping on zach clemence. Gonna be his 4th year in the program. I'm curious to see how much he improved in his year off. Could play the 4 or 5, and gives us a different look. 6'10 shooter, which is exactly the type of player Gonzaga destroyed us with

Clemence needs to hit shots and get his confidence going, I think he can be a weapon. I really don't give a shit if hunter is around next season. Hunter is useful on offense but a defensive liability. I think clemence could be a better fit with KJ, on both sides of the ball. Clemence is a lot more mobile. Clemence might not be an elite rim protector, but neither was hunter. Clemence would give you more energy and rotate faster on defense, which would improve the teams overall ability to defend the interior and perimeter.

Although hunter clearly is the better low block scorer, hunter was also slow and clogged things up offensively. A confident clemence could be used to open the floor up with his shooting, he has nice touch and can finish when inside too. That could really open the paint up for KJ

We know what we get from hunter. Despite hating watching him lumber around the floor, we probably are better off with him coming back, maybe playing more like 25-30 minutes a game tho instead of 35ish


But I am quite intrigued with what a front court without hunter looks like. A frontcourt of KJ, a 6'10 shooter in clemence, and the freakishly athletic freshman

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:45 pm In no way did I say zach would be better than hunter individually. My point was he's been forgotten about, and might be productive for us

Where hunter is painfully slow and unathletic, zach could fit in with our usual type of play better

Idk about you, but I am not a fan of the product we put forth last season

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:24 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 2:45 pm In no way did I say zach would be better than hunter individually. My point was he's been forgotten about, and might be productive for us

Where hunter is painfully slow and unathletic, zach could fit in with our usual type of play better

Idk about you, but I am not a fan of the product we put forth last season

No one accused you of saying Clemence would be better.

Having watched him play, though, he sure plays a LOT like Hunter! Just not as good.

I think you are deluding yourself (like with Yesufu) and setting yourself up for a walkback (like with Jackson) by assuming he is anything more than a smaller Hunter, with similar skills and similar deficiencies.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:02 pm Clemence is slow and awful on defense too. I know it's been a year since we've seen it, but there is a reason he was behind Udeh and Zuby.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:12 pm

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:02 pm Clemence is slow and awful on defense too. I know it's been a year since we've seen it, but there is a reason he was behind Udeh and Zuby.

So what you are saying is that he is a highly skilled big who has to be guarded out to the perimeter, but for whom "average" on defense would be a good result.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:15 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:12 pm

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:02 pm Clemence is slow and awful on defense too. I know it's been a year since we've seen it, but there is a reason he was behind Udeh and Zuby.

So what you are saying is that he is a highly skilled big who has to be guarded out to the perimeter, but for whom "average" on defense would be a good result.

Well, not exactly.

He has only proven to be a perimeter oriented big who is slow and doesn't knock down the 3 with any proven consistency and who also isn't a great rebounder.

He is a lot closer to Parker Braun and Mitch Lightfoot than he is Hunter Dickinson.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 4:18 pm I like Clemens, especially his short stories. That one about the frog in Calaveras County is my fav.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 3:52 pm What I am saying is that you are setting yourself up to have to walk this back. I like Clemence and think he can be a good player, much more offense than defense. I think you are deluding yourself if you think he is anything more than Diet Hunter.