Kansas Crimson

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:12 pm
Otherwise their path to victory is non existent it seems like (according to the polls that niceNC and Fish have shared here).

I wouldn't put much faith in the polls. They were very wrong last time. Biden could win, sure, but I don't think he will because of all the riots and ugliness coming from the left.

Trump/Pence racing to the finish line..

The only question left is who does Lobster kill when Trump looses?

Himself, his mail order bride or a random black person?

If/when trump doesn't win expect another 4 years of #notmypresident

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:14 pm

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:03 pm It was a draw tonight, which ultimately benefits Trump/Pence. I was concerned Harris would come out tonight on fire, but that didn't happen. She did well enough to hurt Pence on some areas, and Pence did the same. But like the first debate for Biden, all Pence had to do was not screw up, and he did well. There's more pressure on Trump to do well in the next debate, as Biden won the first, and this one was essentially meaningless.

I think the opposite. It was a draw, but Pence did nothing to break the momentum that is leaning towards Biden. Pence needed to be outstanding, and he was merely ok.

Trump has to be outstanding the next 2 debates to really have any chance at swinging votes his way. And with the way he has handled everything over last couple of weeks, I don’t think he has any ammunition.

Trump/Pence (given the polls) have barely moved the needle. They still refuse to say what they are going to do the next 4 years, instead spend their time attacking what Biden/Harris might do. There continues to be no plan or substance.

FFS, they still don’t have a healthcare plan.

sdoyel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:39 pm

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:14 pm

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:03 pm It was a draw tonight, which ultimately benefits Trump/Pence. I was concerned Harris would come out tonight on fire, but that didn't happen. She did well enough to hurt Pence on some areas, and Pence did the same. But like the first debate for Biden, all Pence had to do was not screw up, and he did well. There's more pressure on Trump to do well in the next debate, as Biden won the first, and this one was essentially meaningless.

I think the opposite. It was a draw, but Pence did nothing to break the momentum that is leaning towards Biden. Pence needed to be outstanding, and he was merely ok.

Trump has to be outstanding the next 2 debates to really have any chance at swinging votes his way. And with the way he has handled everything over last couple of weeks, I don’t think he has any ammunition.

Trump/Pence (given the polls) have barely moved the needle. They still refuse to say what they are going to do the next 4 years, instead spend their time attacking what Biden/Harris might do. There continues to be no plan or substance.

FFS, they still don’t have a healthcare plan.

Not disagreeing...but Harris did the same thing and had even less substance tonight.

That fly needs to get tested.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:51 pm

Cascadia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:39 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:36 pm Can someone please tell me why Karen Pence was not wearing a mask.

(R)

Did she get near anyone other than her husband?

I didn't think there was a crowd there other than spouses and a small amount of others?...or has she been tested today? I think the mask judging goes a bit over the top at times, especially in a setting like this when the only person she clearly got near was her husband.

Ok, so I have since learned she was in fact wearing a mask during the debate and took it off when she went on stage BUT in response to your post I will say........

As Joe Biden would say, "COME ON MAN".
It was clearly stated that it was a rule and MANDATORY for EVERYONE in attendance to wear a mask other than the two people debating and the moderator. NO exceptions.

You seriously asked if she was tested today? Have you not heard or read at any time over the last 6 months that someone can test negative and actually be positive?

You say the mask judging is over the top. At times, I agree. Other times I do not. This was one of those times I disagree.
Our fucking President was just in the hospital for 3 days and many people he was around have contracted the virus. I feel NOT "mask judging" the Republican clowns would be "over the top".

My worthless assessment of tonight's debate.
Neither did anything for me to make me think they would be a good PRESIDENT.
I feel Harris "lost" the debate. Not so much to Pence but more so to herself. Many people expected her to "destroy" Pence and she hardly did.
Several times she was served questions on a silver platter and could have responded in ways that would destroy Trump and she basically deferred.
I feel she should have answered PENCE'S questions directly.
I didn't like her answer to the last question. She could have used it to point out how big of a piece of shit Trump is and how divisive he is and she struck out on that perfect opportunity.
Mike Pence was exactly what I expected Mike Pence to be tonight and in 2016 Mike Pence being Mike Pence didn't hurt Trump enough for him to not get elected.

Grandma wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:50 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:51 pm

Cascadia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:39 pm

(R)

Did she get near anyone other than her husband?

I didn't think there was a crowd there other than spouses and a small amount of others?...or has she been tested today? I think the mask judging goes a bit over the top at times, especially in a setting like this when the only person she clearly got near was her husband.

Ok, so I have since learned she was in fact wearing a mask during the debate and took it off when she went on stage BUT in response to your post I will say........

As Joe Biden would say, "COME ON MAN".
It was clearly stated that it was a rule and MANDATORY for EVERYONE in attendance to wear a mask other than the two people debating and the moderator. NO exceptions.

You seriously asked if she was tested today? Have you not heard or read at any time over the last 6 months that someone can test negative and actually be positive?

You say the mask judging is over the top. At times, I agree. Other times I do not. This was one of those times I disagree.
Our fucking President was just in the hospital for 3 days and many people he was around have contracted the virus. I feel NOT "mask judging" the Republican clowns would be "over the top".

It was over the top if she was wearing one while in the crowd and then took it off when on stage with her husband...which you just said she was.

Yes i have heard and read that you can test negative and be positive. Obviously. If it is the result of a flase negative because it was a faulty test then you could spread it to others (obviously)... i assume/hope they're getting the better tests that have very low false negative rates and/or are doing multiple tests kits just to be safe.....now, if you test negative and are actually "positive", but testing negative becuase the viral load is still too low to be picked up by the test (different than having a significant viral load and being asymptomatic) then most of the stuff that has come out says you aren't infected enough to likely spread it to someone else in a scenario like that. Again, different than asymptomatic with high viral load or before symptoms begin to show early on, because those people are highly contagious, but they would also test positive (assuming the test doesn't malfunction).

The first few hours after you have been "infected" you will likely test negative and are also not likely to spread it because the virus has not had time to replicate enough. Symptoms take a few days to begin, some people are asymptomatic the entire time, but those people are highly contagious whether they are symptomatic or not.

I have been watching/reading the same stuff as you for the last 10months.

Side note: I have a friend who tested positive for covid. No symptoms at all. By the time he got tested the doctor said that his levels were not high enough to infect others but that they seeing people test positive for months after being infected. They think he had it months ago and never knew. That is wild.

The next debate for Biden/Trump will be virtual town hall style of debate.

Walrus wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:08 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:05 pm
I actually thought pence did better than her tbh.

But it don't think it matters much anyway.

Maybe, but I don't really think Pence won many new voters. As you mention, I don't think this mattered much. We need better moderators that force these people to answer the questions before moving on.

If Pence didn't win many new voters then the draw you claim happened didn't benefit Trump/Pence.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:54 am The next debate for Biden/Trump will be virtual town hall style of debate.

and [shocker] trump says he won’t participate

the fly that captured the imagination of america

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertai ... story.html

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:27 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:54 am The next debate for Biden/Trump will be virtual town hall style of debate.

and [shocker] trump says he won’t participate

I think if they do some plexiglass between them with about 10 feet of distance, it might be something that could work. I think what Harris and Pence did last night worked just fine.

I get why the Debate Commission won't want to do that, they want it to be an informal setting type of thing, not standing at a podium, so they think virtual is better.

Here is Kansas, Roger Marshall and Barbara Bollier are going for the Kansas Senate seat and they did a virtual debate a few weeks back and it seemed to go pretty smooth.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:14 am I think if they do some plexiglass between them with about 10 feet of distance, it might be something that could work. I think what Harris and Pence did last night worked just fine.

Biden is in his late-70s. There is literally no reason to do this in person. Trump and her crew are a walking bag of virus. Trump staffers could pass it to Biden staffers. This is why this thing is still spreading. Yes, we want to take all precautions for our norms and traditions to continue. However, even with 100% precautions, it can still spread. Then you add the Trump team, that are maybe taking 10% of precautions anyway.

If it's not necessary for people to live (job, groceries, doctors) then all other activities should cease. The, "oh, my buddy is leaving town, I'll meet up for drinks at his house, outside, 10 feet apart" stuff still doesn't work. You are using gas, you are picking up beer, you are still not out of the woods with this arrangement. It's a shame, but that's the position we were put in by this administration. 2020 was a waste, Trump's lost year.

Biden is the one who should refuse!

I know a lot of people are skeptical of polling, but I still am a fan of it. Either way, 538's aggregator/model had Biden with a 71% chance to 85% chance in the last month. I know that doesn't sound like much, but the model is very conservative, and has a lot of weird contingencies built in (like people dying) so it is notable. Clinton at the end had a 71% chance of winning 4 years ago to show where the landscape shifted to.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

NiceDC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:47 am I know a lot of people are skeptical of polling, but I still am a fan of it. Either way, 538's aggregator/model had Biden with a 71% chance to 85% chance in the last month. I know that doesn't sound like much, but the model is very conservative, and has a lot of weird contingencies built in (like people dying) so it is notable. Clinton at the end had a 71% chance of winning 4 years ago to show where the landscape shifted to.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

I was browsing that site the other day. Was shocked at how close texas is!

I'm laughing because Trump is the one who contracted the virus (probably due to negligence) and now he is refusing to do a debate if it's not in person. What a fucking dickhead.
Apparently this was Trump's response and complaint -
Trump complained during the interview with Fox that a virtual debate would mean he would have to "sit behind a computer" in a virtual debate and the moderator could "cut you off whenever they want."