Kansas Crimson

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:21 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:18 am What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:09 am

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:21 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:18 am What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:21 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:18 am What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:09 am

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:21 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:18 am What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:09 am

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:21 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:18 am What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:05 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:09 am

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:21 am

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

The people reporting skepticism about the vaccine are not doing so because the President of the United States continues to wear a mask, often around those who may not be vaccinated. He is the leader of the free world, a world that remains largely unvaccinated/deeply fearful of the virus. In contrast to the previous four years, I welcome extra if unnecessary precautions by someone so important here and globally.

The issues are deep-seated and will never be resolved fully, and will only ever diminish if/when businesses step up and require vaccinations. Joe Biden walking around maskless is not going to convince MICH and those like him to scramble for a vaccine. Pretending it will is The West Wing thinking which is absolutely poisonous and not based in the world we actually live in.

When I'm fully vaccinated, I will only wear a mask in a crowded, public place (while required) or when I don't feel well. But that is a personal decision. I've seen a few of your other posts and for the life of me I do not understand why a guy wearing a mask mowing his lawn is such a problem to you. Does he scold you for not doing that? If not, who cares?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:09 am

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:21 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:18 am What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:17 pm I think that has been the message. Biden's Chief of Staff emphasizes it every time I hear him talk. But just because that's the correct message doesn't mean it's an effective message. A significant chunk of the Republican Party thinks Dem elites are child molesters -- are they going to listen to Joe Biden when he talks up the importance of vaccines?

Now, if we want to talk about the horrendous messaging from public health officials and politicians from both parties over the last year? I'm in. There was far too much discussion of what people couldn't do and not near enough discussion of what was safe, i.e. limiting the number of people at your gathering and keeping it outside. Also, way too much beach scolding.

But I'm not with you folks on the masks stuff -- they are a good thing to emphasize in crowded places pandemic or not. That said, I'm well aware the US isn't going to suddenly turn culturally to align with Asian countries on them.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:19 pm One other thing, if we imagine a world where Joe Biden walks around maskless and says "I'm able to do this because I'm vaccinated," do we really think this erodes vaccine skepticism? I don't. I think MICH-types would say, "The President isn't wearing a mask, I guess the pandemic is over!" Because they aren't fucking good-faith actors, they are lunatics who will need to be compelled to vaccinate (by non-governmental entities).

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:17 pmBut I'm not with you folks on the masks stuff -- they are a good thing to emphasize in crowded places pandemic or not. That said, I'm well aware the US isn't going to suddenly turn culturally to align with Asian countries on them.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:23 pm

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:19 pm One other thing, if we imagine a world where Joe Biden walks around maskless and says "I'm able to do this because I'm vaccinated," do we really think this erodes vaccine skepticism? I don't. I think MICH-types would say, "The President isn't wearing a mask, I guess the pandemic is over!" Because they aren't fucking good-faith actors, they are lunatics who will need to be compelled to vaccinate (by non-governmental entities).

I agree that messaging through Biden is probably a lost cause.

But a publicly-funded ad campaign with celebrity/athlete endorsements would absolutely move the needle.

And, nope, didn't mean to do that.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:27 pm I read that the feds conducted a study to find the best way to convince skeptics and it was seeing friends the vaccines or having it recommended by the doctor. But I think this was limited to skeptics who could be potentially moved, i.e. they're skeptical because of how fast the vaccine was developed.

Typing that reminds me that my father-in-law's doctor told him that COVID is a hoax. We are fucking screwed.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:27 pm I read that the feds conducted a study to find the best way to convince skeptics and it was seeing friends get the vaccine or having it recommended by their doctor. But I think this was limited to skeptics who could be potentially moved, i.e. they're skeptical because of how fast the vaccine was developed.

Typing that reminds me that my father-in-law's doctor told him that COVID is a hoax. We are fucking screwed.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:27 pm Typing that reminds me that my father-in-law's doctor told him that COVID is a hoax. We are fucking screwed.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:37 pm By May 30th any person that wants to will have had their first dose. By June 30th any person that wants to will be fully vaccinated. By July 1st MICHHAWKS mask collection will be smoldering in his firepit.