Kansas Crimson

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:34 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:19 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 9:36 am

I think thats a very slippery slope.

I do think that if someone is hospitalized specifically for having gun rampage thoughts....it might warrant at least a temporary restriction of access to firearms.

But that's what I mean. "Restriction of access to firearms" is a very broad statement that needs to be clearly defined. It implies "access to any firearms whether already owned or not" and the implications of that are way different than just "you can't buy any more guns from this point forward". If you do not seize all weapons that they own, then you haven't really shut off access to firearms; you've just shut off access to ADDITIONAL firearms. It's not a slippery slope. It's a legitimate necessity to define the parameters of exactly what the restriction includes.

it's a slippery slope as in the ramifications of the decision after it is defined.

Are people going to be less likely to seek help if that is on the table? Most likely yes.

Do I like the idea of somebody being able to make those decisions for somebody else AND seize their property. Not particularly.

Will it prevent deaths? Possibly

Will it create a buzz storm of anti government sentiment and "they're coming for your guns"? For sure.

Is all of that going to prevent other potential legislation from occuring that might start to make progress on the situation? Potentially yes.



All in all, as a gun owner and as a hunter and as a person who doesn't love government control over personal decisions I am selfishly frustrated.

I'm frustrated that these whackjobs are creating these scenarios where we have to legitimately discuss normal people losing their rights because they can't just sit the fuck down and not go on rampages. They should just punch a wall or kill themselves instead of putting everyone else through this.

I'm frustrated that these fucking psychos are giving regular, legal, trained, safe gun owners and hunters that don't kill people, or flash guns on social media and carry them around like jackasses a bad name because they are out of control.


I dont need an AR. I'm not sure of a good reason in modern times for someone to have one. So, let's start there and get rid of those. If we can take that step and drastically reduce the instances of these types of situations then the rest of these discussions may become more reasonable and we can pare down the details of how mental health and forfeiting of weapons can come into play rationally instead of reactionary and hopefully find solutions that stick long term and can staft to change the culture at its core and not just in a good guy bad guy band aid fashion.



I dont know that I did anything to actually explain my position in that rambling but....im frustrated, like you all are, I just have a different take and starting point on some of this stuff than some here do based on my life experiences and style of living. I dont think that should prevent being able to work through things and find somewhere to start and work towards solutions on all of this. None of these situations are acceptable and I hope you all understand that I agree with that point even as I argue some of your solutions as being unreasonable.

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:01 pm Also I guess to sum up my viewpoint as simply as I can:

When I'm at a large gathering or I send my kids to a large gathering, be it a concert, sporting event, office tower...whatever it may be; I'm a little wary and I'm hyper aware of my surroundings. Which, is sad and unacceptable...and fairly new.

But, I'm not ever concerned or looking around for a guy with a 30-.06 and 4 bullets, I'm not even particularly concerned about the guy with a 9mm and 10 rounds. I am pretty much solely on the lookout for somebody opening up with an AR and a 100 round drum clip while we all sit there like fish in a barrel in the stands or wherever.


So, let's start there. Let's start by getting rid of the things that are the source of 95% of the anxiety of being harmed in a large group of people.

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:15 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:01 pm Also I guess to sum up my viewpoint as simply as I can:

When I'm at a large gathering or I send my kids to a large gathering, be it a concert, sporting event, office tower...whatever it may be; I'm a little wary and I'm hyper aware of my surroundings. Which, is sad and unacceptable...and fairly new.

But, I'm not ever concerned or looking around for a guy with a 30-.06 and 4 bullets, I'm not even particularly concerned about the guy with a 9mm and 10 rounds. I am pretty much solely on the lookout for somebody opening up with an AR and a 100 round drum clip while we all sit there like fish in a barrel in the stands or wherever.


So, let's start there. Let's start by getting rid of the things that are the source of 95% of the anxiety of being harmed in a large group of people.

I want to add something.

I have extensive training in tactical environments, both static and live fire.

If I were going into an active fire situation, in close quarters.....sidearm every time.
And most of my peers would say the same.

I have a couple of S&W 9MM M&P (17 rounds) handguns that I would pick over any other gun for defense or offense in situations with lines of sight under 40 yards.

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:25 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:15 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:01 pm Also I guess to sum up my viewpoint as simply as I can:

When I'm at a large gathering or I send my kids to a large gathering, be it a concert, sporting event, office tower...whatever it may be; I'm a little wary and I'm hyper aware of my surroundings. Which, is sad and unacceptable...and fairly new.

But, I'm not ever concerned or looking around for a guy with a 30-.06 and 4 bullets, I'm not even particularly concerned about the guy with a 9mm and 10 rounds. I am pretty much solely on the lookout for somebody opening up with an AR and a 100 round drum clip while we all sit there like fish in a barrel in the stands or wherever.


So, let's start there. Let's start by getting rid of the things that are the source of 95% of the anxiety of being harmed in a large group of people.

I want to add something.

I have extensive training in tactical environments, both static and live fire.

If I were going into an active fire situation, in close quarters.....sidearm every time.
And most of my peers would say the same.

I have a couple of S&W 9MM M&P (17 rounds) handguns that I would pick over any other gun for defense or offense in situations with lines of sight under 40 yards.

for sure, particularly for a guy like you that has been trained and is familiar with the weapon and the environment and been exposed to focusing in distraction filled scenarios.

But, the sidearms take a significant amount of experience and practice to be effective with any quickness and accuracy.

Most (not all) of these events are not committed by people without those (or any) skill sets. The haphazardly spray at random for maximum potential damage infliction is their main goal.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:31 pm because it wouldn’t make them feel like Rambo

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:44 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:31 pm because it wouldn’t make them feel like Rambo

Have you never seen a KSG or Saiga?

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:21 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:44 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:31 pm because it wouldn’t make them feel like Rambo

Have you never seen a KSG or Saiga?

sure. i don’t deny your point..they’re bad-ass looking weapons

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Overlander wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:49 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:21 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:44 pm

Have you never seen a KSG or Saiga?

sure. i don’t deny your point..they’re bad-ass looking weapons

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More than that.

I have a KSG. 17 rounds capacity.
00Buck is 12 .32 caliber projectle per shell
204 lethal rounds before reloading.

AR15…30 lethal rounds per mag.

Math.

Make an AR seem feeble

Overlander wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:49 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:21 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:44 pm

Have you never seen a KSG or Saiga?

sure. i don’t deny your point..they’re bad-ass looking weapons

[img]

More than that.

I have a KSG. 17 rounds capacity.
00Buck is 12 .32 caliber projectle per shell
204 lethal rounds before reloading.

AR15…30 lethal rounds per mag.

Math.

Make an AR seem feeble

Shirley wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:36 pm Suspect found dead.

CNN is reporting that sources are saying that the suspect in the Maine Mass Shooting has been found dead

TDub wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:41 am

Shirley wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:36 pm Suspect found dead.

CNN is reporting that sources are saying that the suspect in the Maine Mass Shooting has been found dead

why the fuck did he not just do that first....

Shirley wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:59 am There are only two people dead so far, so not sure this qualifies, but 18 people shot so...

At least two people are dead after a shooting right in the heart of Ybor City's nightlife scene, police said.