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Re: Dems take the House
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:13 am
by ousdahl
to be fair, I dunno if Dems are competent enough to cheat.
Re: Dems take the House
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:28 am
by DCHawk1
twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:54 am
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:52 pm
seahawk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:55 am
Two coach presented a cogent explanation.
No he didn't. He argued his partisan interpretation of an event and pretended it was fact.
Moreover, anyone who has bothered to look at the data over several election cycles dating back decades knows that the Democrats' biggest problem in the House is the overconcentration of votes in too few districts. It does the party no good, for example, to run unopposed candidates in California or to win by a margin of 90-10 in other urban districts. Almost all of those votes are wasted, in that they contribute to larger vote totals but deliver no more seats.
The regression models are pretty clear. When you control for overconcentration of votes, the differences between the parties in terms of total votes earned nationally trends toward statistical insignificance. Even on a district-by-district basis, the models clearly show that advantage attained by the GOP by redistricting is vanishingly small.
I don't care
That about sums you up.
And to think y'all have the gall to accuse us of anti-intellectualism.
Re: Dems take the House
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:17 pm
by seahawk
DC, you've presented only the Trump Party line, you've not presented any facts, just done your usual thing of trying to divert from the fact that you totally support and defend Donald Trump and everything that he's about by saying negative stuff about Twocoach.
You've presented nothing that indicates that gerrymandering hasn't been the highlight of the Trump Party for the past 8 years since 2010, as your Trump Party tries to maintain electoral control just as you're losing voters.
Re: Dems take the House
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:44 pm
by DCHawk1
Trump doesn't have anything to do with residstricting.
But this is fun -- and just yesterday!:
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/def ... pinion.pdf
Re: Dems take the House
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:55 pm
by twocoach
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:28 am
twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:54 am
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:52 pm
No he didn't. He argued his partisan interpretation of an event and pretended it was fact.
Moreover, anyone who has bothered to look at the data over several election cycles dating back decades knows that the Democrats' biggest problem in the House is the overconcentration of votes in too few districts. It does the party no good, for example, to run unopposed candidates in California or to win by a margin of 90-10 in other urban districts. Almost all of those votes are wasted, in that they contribute to larger vote totals but deliver no more seats.
The regression models are pretty clear. When you control for overconcentration of votes, the differences between the parties in terms of total votes earned nationally trends toward statistical insignificance. Even on a district-by-district basis, the models clearly show that advantage attained by the GOP by redistricting is vanishingly small.
I don't care
That about sums you up.
And to think y'all have the gall to accuse us of anti-intellectualism.
The editing of someone's post like that is beneath you. We disagree here quite frequently but you rarely stoop to such a poop-joke caliber level.
Lame.
Re: Dems take the House
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:09 pm
by twocoach
ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:13 am
to be fair, I dunno if Dems are competent enough to cheat.
Oh, they are. No doubt that they are trying and as DC pointed out, they have been caught doing it before. But the GOP ramped it up big time after Obama won.
The North Carolina case against their redistricting is likely headed for the Supreme Court.
"I think electing Republicans is better than electing Democrats, so I drew this map to help foster what I think is better for this country."
--Rep. David Lewis, a Republican member of the North Carolina General Assembly, addressing fellow legislators when they passed the plan in 2016.
And that is after the Pennsylvania redistricting map was thrown out by the state's Supreme Court earlier this year and a case in Wisconsin was bumped back to a lower court.