Kansas Crimson

ChalkRocker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:47 am You make sense to me, Newton, but we can do that and more. There's no reason we can't be a good team.

chiknbut wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:21 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:42 am and all of that is exactly why it would be a legacy-cementing move

if whatever coach comes on can run this program around and make competitive, or even a bowl-winner, in a couple years it would make for s great story and capstone on the career of someone like Miles

And every coach KU has hired throughout the years has likely thought the same thing - I'm the guy who's going to turn around this team and become the face of the program. And I'll get millions on top of it.

And so far there is only an unemployed fat man who can stake that claim - and not convincingly.

There is a reason so many have failed at this job and I'm not quite sure what it is. My guess is it's a commitment to bringing the program to an elite level. That's going to take millions upon millions, including additional upgrades to the stadium and a lot more than a new indoor practice facility. Maybe our guy Jeff can do this. I hope so.

I have no doubt that recent coaches - excluding Charlie Weiss - had extensive knowledge of the game of football. What they didn't have was consistent talent. Certainly not the talent to compete in the Big XII. There's some good athletes scattered here and there, but we're not going to succeed as a program by bringing in Juco players.

If there is a fix it's not going to happen for awhile. Maybe Les is the type of name that can get kids from Texas, Florida and California to come to Kansas. I know it's important to get local kids as well, but you don't win titles with kids from Derby and Dodge City.

Reasons for optimism? I suppose. Buffalo was one of the worst college programs in the country and they're pretty darn good right now. Same with Duke. I'm interested to hear from some others on here. How do you build a program that's good once every 10 years and then falls off dramatically? We're not just desperate for a decent program, just a winning one from time to time. It's NEVER happened here. Why?

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:27 pm

chiknbut wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:21 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:42 am and all of that is exactly why it would be a legacy-cementing move

if whatever coach comes on can run this program around and make competitive, or even a bowl-winner, in a couple years it would make for s great story and capstone on the career of someone like Miles

And every coach KU has hired throughout the years has likely thought the same thing - I'm the guy who's going to turn around this team and become the face of the program. And I'll get millions on top of it.

And so far there is only an unemployed fat man who can stake that claim - and not convincingly.

There is a reason so many have failed at this job and I'm not quite sure what it is. My guess is it's a commitment to bringing the program to an elite level. That's going to take millions upon millions, including additional upgrades to the stadium and a lot more than a new indoor practice facility. Maybe our guy Jeff can do this. I hope so.

I have no doubt that recent coaches - excluding Charlie Weiss - had extensive knowledge of the game of football. What they didn't have was consistent talent. Certainly not the talent to compete in the Big XII. There's some good athletes scattered here and there, but we're not going to succeed as a program by bringing in Juco players.

If there is a fix it's not going to happen for awhile. Maybe Les is the type of name that can get kids from Texas, Florida and California to come to Kansas. I know it's important to get local kids as well, but you don't win titles with kids from Derby and Dodge City.

Reasons for optimism? I suppose. Buffalo was one of the worst college programs in the country and they're pretty darn good right now. Same with Duke. I'm interested to hear from some others on here. How do you build a program that's good once every 10 years and then falls off dramatically? We're not just desperate for a decent program, just a winning one from time to time. It's NEVER happened here. Why?

This is all mostly correct.

We're attempting to turn the page to a different chapter. Jeff Long and Les Miles signal something brand new: commitment and support.

But mostly Jeff Long. What an absolute stud. I don't know why Les Miles would come here knowing our history but it signals that Jeff Long is 100% serious about changing culture. We would not have secured Miles without it.

Don't give Debbie downers like gutter the time of day. We all want to see change and it's on its way. Enjoy and embrace it because it's the first time it's ever happened here.

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:16 pm Look you guys most likely ok in the world of basketball. Football not so much, I liked Les at LSU. Don't think LSU should have fired him. They did for a reason. Why did LSU fire Les?????

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:51 pm Les was let go because it became know that Jimbo wanted to leave FSU. How LSU messed that up not sure. Something about brinks and truck loads of money but it was more about the wiliness to spend on staff. Anyways Les during his first offseason in 2016, he missed out on jobs at Houston, Minnesota, Purdue and South Florida. And why did these programs not hire Les????

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:42 pm Dude.....haha you have no clue