Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:17 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:15 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:00 pm

"The economy was amazing under Trump, and, as I have long said, that's really all I care about. I get that, for some, mean Tweets and the like are a big deal, but it seems more than outweighed by the positives".

I'm trying to think of a respectful way to ask this.
If the economy was "amazing" under Trump and that's all you care about - and you didn't vote for Trump the 2nd time - then why wouldn't someone be right for feeling you are stupid - in that regard?

He started making stupid choices toward the end of his term. Choices that were hurting the economy, and which made his personality a lot less tolerable. I assumed he would still win, but then there was the whole ballot stuffing snafu, and here we we are three years later in just the kind of mess you’d expect.

There is zero evidence of the last part of this, which undercuts the credibility of everything else you say.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:42 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:17 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:15 pm

He started making stupid choices toward the end of his term. Choices that were hurting the economy, and which made his personality a lot less tolerable. I assumed he would still win, but then there was the whole ballot stuffing snafu, and here we we are three years later in just the kind of mess you’d expect.

There is zero evidence of the last part of this, which undercuts the credibility of everything else you say.

I can’t really convince someone who trusts the system to be honest, play by the rules, or do what is in the best interest of the American people. We are working from two completely different foundational premises.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:16 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:30 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:20 am

Carter was easily the worst POTUS of my lifetime. Easily. He was living proof that one can be a good man and also be a lousy Commander in Chief.

Giggle.

I'll go with the beholden-to-Russia, wannabe-dictator reality TV star who, for political reasons, tried to wish a global pandemic out of existence and, in so doing, is responsible for hundreds of thousands of American deaths that didn't need to happen. And then tried his damnedest to block the peaceful transfer of power to a guy he knew had beat him. And who now is telling you, out loud, that if you put him back in the big chair, he will ignore the Constitution and usher in a religion-clothed autocracy.

I'm just old enough (early grade school) to remember gas lines, cold classrooms at school, and eating rice with milk for dinner during the Carter years. I also remember the complete lack of respect Iran had for the U.S. and the resulting hostage crisis that only ended when a strong POTUS came into office.

Things were really good under Trump until the plandemic. BTW, am reading The Real Anthony Fauci by RFK Jr., who is no fan of Trump. Pretty damning indictment of the powers that be and the lengths they went to to get rid of the sitting POTUS and steer money back into their own pockets.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:22 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:17 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:15 pm

He started making stupid choices toward the end of his term. Choices that were hurting the economy, and which made his personality a lot less tolerable. I assumed he would still win, but then there was the whole ballot stuffing snafu, and here we we are three years later in just the kind of mess you’d expect.

There is zero evidence of the last part of this, which undercuts the credibility of everything else you say.

Yes.
So many times this.
If the response is something like, 'believe what you want to believe' or 'you aren't looking at the right sources' then, well, that just smashes the whole 'undercuts the credibility' statement home.

What if I was all like, 'Bill Self directly paid, out of his own bank account, Silvio De Sousa, Josh Jackson, Billy Preston and Cheick Diallo' and then when challenged, responded, 'trust me bro'.

Shirley wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:20 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:16 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:30 am

Giggle.

I'll go with the beholden-to-Russia, wannabe-dictator reality TV star who, for political reasons, tried to wish a global pandemic out of existence and, in so doing, is responsible for hundreds of thousands of American deaths that didn't need to happen. And then tried his damnedest to block the peaceful transfer of power to a guy he knew had beat him. And who now is telling you, out loud, that if you put him back in the big chair, he will ignore the Constitution and usher in a religion-clothed autocracy.

I'm just old enough (early grade school) to remember gas lines, cold classrooms at school, and eating rice with milk for dinner during the Carter years. I also remember the complete lack of respect Iran had for the U.S. and the resulting hostage crisis that only ended when a strong POTUS came into office.

Things were really good under Trump until the plandemic. BTW, am reading The Real Anthony Fauci by RFK Jr., who is no fan of Trump. Pretty damning indictment of the powers that be and the lengths they went to to get rid of the sitting POTUS and steer money back into their own pockets.

Today In: Deeply Closeted Jew Hatred, aka. "anti-Semitism"?

More than 3 years before Carter assumed office as President in Jan of 1977, in Oct 1973, after then-President Nixon’s decision to provide Israel with $2.2 billion in emergency aid in support of the Yom Kippur War, OPEC approved an oil embargo on the U.S. This effectively shut off the exports of Arab crude oil to the U.S., followed by a series of steep production cuts in output. Before the embargo, a barrel of oil traded for around $2.90, quadrupling to $11.65 per barrel by January 1974.

But yeah, that and the resulting inflation was Carter's fault.

Or, when you consider your frequent admissions to being so selfish, is your problem with Nixon coming to the aid of one of our closest allies, Israel, triggering the embargo, and contributing to inflation?

Even before the Arab coalition led primarily by Syria and Egypt attacked Israel in '73 with the support of the Soviet Union, commodity prices had been increasing ~ 10%/year since 1970.

Was that Carter's fault, too?

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:41 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:22 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:17 pm

There is zero evidence of the last part of this, which undercuts the credibility of everything else you say.

Yes.
So many times this.
If the response is something like, 'believe what you want to believe' or 'you aren't looking at the right sources' then, well, that just smashes the whole 'undercuts the credibility' statement home.

What if I was all like, 'Bill Self directly paid, out of his own bank account, Silvio De Sousa, Josh Jackson, Billy Preston and Cheick Diallo' and then when challenged, responded, 'trust me bro'.

I’m not trying to convince you of anything. Believe what you want. It doesn’t change the truth.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:20 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:41 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:22 pm

Yes.
So many times this.
If the response is something like, 'believe what you want to believe' or 'you aren't looking at the right sources' then, well, that just smashes the whole 'undercuts the credibility' statement home.

What if I was all like, 'Bill Self directly paid, out of his own bank account, Silvio De Sousa, Josh Jackson, Billy Preston and Cheick Diallo' and then when challenged, responded, 'trust me bro'.

I’m not trying to convince you of anything. Believe what you want. It doesn’t change the truth.

Ok.
So you ARE a moran.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:33 pm “It doesn’t change the truth.”

You said that.
With no proof.
Sorry man, call em like I see em.

Can you provide proof?
Like legitimate proof?
How do you know? Where did you learn this? Could you maybe possibly ( definitely ) consider you have been duped?

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:45 pm The world is flat in the shape of a disc. The sun moves in circles around the North Pole like a spotlight. You shouldn’t be able to see skylines if the world was round.

I can layout arguments and provide you with sources but you aren’t going to consider them.

Believe what you want.
It doesn’t change the truth.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:52 pm My belief that you are a moran for believing that the election was rigged is my belief. It doesn’t impact your life. I’m not trying to be rude, I’m just telling you what I believe.