Kansas Crimson

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:42 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:32 pm The base doesnt seem to even give a shit enough to find out if Trump is lying. Since he said it wasn't that seems to have been enough to free them of the desire to fact check him.

Illy likely saw a meme on Instagram that led him to believe that China has made some sort of grand concession and that was enough for him.

In case you actually care to learn about the issues you're outraged about....

These comments are from Ferals link (I assume you trust her sources)...

The so-called phase one agreement centers on increased Chinese purchases of American agricultural, energy and other products, while adding new restrictions in areas like technology transfers and currency devaluation.



Did I say it was perfect? No.

Does this mean it helped things, even if only partially? Seems like a yes.

Did you factor in the impact of the hundreds of billions of dollars that US consumers are paying due to the tariffs?

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:33 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:42 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:32 pm The base doesnt seem to even give a shit enough to find out if Trump is lying. Since he said it wasn't that seems to have been enough to free them of the desire to fact check him.

Illy likely saw a meme on Instagram that led him to believe that China has made some sort of grand concession and that was enough for him.

In case you actually care to learn about the issues you're outraged about....

These comments are from Ferals link (I assume you trust her sources)...

The so-called phase one agreement centers on increased Chinese purchases of American agricultural, energy and other products, while adding new restrictions in areas like technology transfers and currency devaluation.



Did I say it was perfect? No.

Does this mean it helped things, even if only partially? Seems like a yes.

Did you factor in the impact of the hundreds of billions of dollars that US consumers are paying due to the tariffs?

How could Illi "factor in" something he knows nothing about?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:30 pm The economy is pretty darn good as economies go.

Digging that deficit, are ya?

Now that some republicans are beginning to mention Trump's economy in the same breath with Reagan's and the possibility of Trump's image on the $100.00 bill, if not also adding it to Mount Rushmore, it's good to keep a little perspective:

Trump’s First 3 Years Created 1.5 Million Fewer Jobs Than Obama’s Last 3

Newly revised figures from Trump’s own Department of Labor show that 6.6 million new jobs were created in the first 36 months of Trump’s tenure, compared with 8.1 million in the final 36 months of Obama’s ― a decline of 19% under Trump...

chiknbut wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:22 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:30 pm The economy is pretty darn good as economies go.

Digging that deficit, are ya?

Because "conservative" republican:

President Donald Trump has repeatedly pointed to the growing American economy as the strongest indicator of his success throughout his time in the White House, calling it "terrific" and "the greatest in the history of the country."

At the State of the Union Address on Tuesday, Trump said "our economy is the best it has ever been," and placed it at the center of his 2020 re-election bid.

He's also used his economic record as a shield to fend off the Democratic-led impeachment proceedings that are now likely to end with his acquittal in the GOP-led Senate.

But how does it compare to his immediate predecessors, Barack Obama and George W. Bush?

Presidents receive a lot of credit when the economy is performing well and a barrage of criticism when it doesn't, despite the fact they don't wield direct power over it.

Any combination of factors can throw it out of balance, like the dotcom bubble bursting during Bush's first term, or the subprime mortgage crisis in the housing market that led to the Great Recession.

But a closer look at the Trump economy reveals a conflicting portrait - though it was certainly not in a beat-up state when the president took office in 2017 as he has claimed.



Trade is one of Trump's signature issues. Despite his aggressive trade moves, the total monthly trade deficit in goods and services — that is, the value of goods and services exported by the US minus the value of imports — has gotten larger in the last couple years.



The stock market hit its bottom early in Obama's first term, and has been mostly increasing ever since, although Trump's first term has seen a lot of volatility amid uncertainty around Trump's trade disputes with other countries and concern that the economy may be slowing.

Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said Wednesday night that the Republican Party is hypocritical when it comes to deficits, according to audio of an overseas speech obtained by The Washington Post.

“My party is very interested in deficits when there is a Democrat in the White House. The worse thing in the whole world is deficits when Barack Obama was the president. Then Donald Trump became president, and we’re a lot less interested as a party,” Mulvaney said at the Oxford Union to a group of several hundred people.

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fleeced

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:46 amfleeced

Maybe some....but I think most knew exactly what they were voting for.

umm for the Tea Party candidate?

People voted for trump because the Democrats put forth a nominee that was unacceptable to many swing voters. Weve been over this.

hilarious the dems are blamed for trump, rather than...you know, the people that actually voted for him

If Bernie is the nominee the same thing will happen again and you can blame whoever you want .

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:12 am hilarious the dems are blamed for trump, rather than...you know, the people that actually voted for him

The "no-accountability" defense has always worked well for the GOP.

Blame whoever you want... but there's a difference between blaming Dems FOR Trump and blaming Dems for nominating a candidate that a lot of people couldn't stomach voting for over Trump. Plenty of blame to go around on both sides from the perspective of a lot of people in the "middle".

I'll just leave this here...

unbelievable

National satisfaction highest since 2005

it's sad that 45% is as high as it takes.