Kansas Crimson

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:33 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:17 am I think it comes down to the states to decide -- they need to listen to their own people, their own medical staff.

I believe it's too early - I think you want to be sure the 'curve has flattened'.
I also don't think, if a state's people as a majority don't want to wait inside until a vaccine is found, they should be forced to.
And all of this comes with the choice of an individual to continue to quarantine themselves. No one is forcing them out of their homes.

I mostly agree.

My objection is that states don't exist in a bubble.

If your state opens, and my neighboring state doesn't and a bunch of people from my state go to yours to watch movies in theaters and they come back and spread the virus in my state then your actions hurt the people of my state.

I don't have a good answer for that.

Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:58 am The lovely Governor (in his uneducated sounding Georgia accent) said, "Right now (I) feel like we're in a good spot to move forward."

According to our government's "federal guidelines" Georgia is NOT in a "good spot" to "move forward" - in the capacity Kemp plans to "move forward".

https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/

I'm not 100% against Georgia re-opening but I feel Kemp has proven numerous times he has the IQ equivalent of a bar of soap.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:00 am

Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:58 am The lovely Governor (in his uneducated sounding Georgia accent) said, "Right now (I) feel like we're in a good spot to move forward."

According to our government's "federal guidelines" Georgia is NOT in a "good spot" to "move forward" - in the capacity Kemp plans to "move forward".

https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/

I'm not 100% against Georgia re-opening but I feel Kemp has proven numerous times he has the IQ equivalent of a bar of soap.

Right - the state's public health is guided by someone who, until very very recently, admitted to not knowing that asymptomatic people can transit the virus.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:58 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:33 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:17 am I think it comes down to the states to decide -- they need to listen to their own people, their own medical staff.

I believe it's too early - I think you want to be sure the 'curve has flattened'.
I also don't think, if a state's people as a majority don't want to wait inside until a vaccine is found, they should be forced to.
And all of this comes with the choice of an individual to continue to quarantine themselves. No one is forcing them out of their homes.

I mostly agree.

My objection is that states don't exist in a bubble.

If your state opens, and my neighboring state doesn't and a bunch of people from my state go to yours to watch movies in theaters and they come back and spread the virus in my state then your actions hurt the people of my state.

I don't have a good answer for that.

If federal government says to states "open early if you want to," it really then justifies the states closing borders to other states. Or shutting certain states off from others. That was a big sticking point no-no for many Americans in Asia's approach.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:13 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:58 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:33 am
I mostly agree.

My objection is that states don't exist in a bubble.

If your state opens, and my neighboring state doesn't and a bunch of people from my state go to yours to watch movies in theaters and they come back and spread the virus in my state then your actions hurt the people of my state.

I don't have a good answer for that.

If federal government says to states "open early if you want to," it really then justifies the states closing borders to other states. Or shutting certain states off from others. That was a big sticking point no-no for many Americans in Asia's approach.

But that also comes with logistical nightmares and who gets exceptions etc.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:07 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:00 am

Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:58 am The lovely Governor (in his uneducated sounding Georgia accent) said, "Right now (I) feel like we're in a good spot to move forward."

According to our government's "federal guidelines" Georgia is NOT in a "good spot" to "move forward" - in the capacity Kemp plans to "move forward".

https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/

I'm not 100% against Georgia re-opening but I feel Kemp has proven numerous times he has the IQ equivalent of a bar of soap.

Right - the state's public health is guided by someone who, until very very recently, admitted to not knowing that asymptomatic people can transit the virus.

Jesus Christ, you're right, that's the same fucking state.

Hopefully Atlanta's mayor is more cautious.

Feral wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:32 am I ain't worried!

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:40 am I'm hoping really good.
And i'm hoping there aren't people here wishing for the opposite so they can say, 'i told you so'.

Cascadia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:23 pm Bunch of people in Georgia about to die.

But I’m sure Jesus will look after them.......

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:24 pm

Cascadia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:23 pm Bunch of people in Georgia about to die.

But I’m sure Jesus will look after them.......

I just hope the rest of the country learns from the outcome in GA, whatever it is.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:21 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:17 am I think it comes down to the states to decide -- they need to listen to their own people, their own medical staff.

I believe it's too early - I think you want to be sure the 'curve has flattened'.
I also don't think, if a state's people as a majority don't want to wait inside until a vaccine is found, they should be forced to.
And all of this comes with the choice of an individual to continue to quarantine themselves. No one is forcing them out of their homes.

I don't know exactly what the right answer is. Absolutely, at some point there is a level of risk that has to be assumed. There are lots of people that need work now, not in a month or a year.

But there's NO FUCKING REASON states and local governments should have to make those choices without a comprehensive, federally-supported testing regime.

It's just not as easy as saying people make choices about whether they get sick; you can start a chain of dozens, if not hundreds, of sick people before you have the faintest idea that you're sick.

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:30 pm
I have zero faith that there ever will be a "comprehensive federally-supported testing regime" under this current administration. They have done nothing in their handling of this pandemic to this point that leads me to believe they are capable, or even interested, in that.

Waiting for the clueless to get a clue would mean that we'd never leave our houses.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:07 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:00 am

Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:58 am The lovely Governor (in his uneducated sounding Georgia accent) said, "Right now (I) feel like we're in a good spot to move forward."

According to our government's "federal guidelines" Georgia is NOT in a "good spot" to "move forward" - in the capacity Kemp plans to "move forward".

https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/

I'm not 100% against Georgia re-opening but I feel Kemp has proven numerous times he has the IQ equivalent of a bar of soap.

Right - the state's public health is guided by someone who, until very very recently, admitted to not knowing that asymptomatic people can transit the virus.

Jesus Christ, you're right, that's the same fucking state.

Hopefully Atlanta's mayor is more cautious.

Cascadia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:27 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:24 pm

Cascadia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:23 pm Bunch of people in Georgia about to die.

But I’m sure Jesus will look after them.......

I just hope the rest of the country learns from the outcome in GA, whatever it is.

The outcome is already known, by both sides

Cascadia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:27 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:24 pm

Cascadia wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:23 pm Bunch of people in Georgia about to die.

But I’m sure Jesus will look after them.......

I just hope the rest of the country learns from the outcome in GA, whatever it is.

The outcome is already known, by both sides

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:31 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:30 pm
I have zero faith that there ever will be a "comprehensive federally-supported testing regime" under this current administration. They have done nothing in their handling of this pandemic to this point that leads me to believe they are capable, or even interested, in that.

Waiting for the clueless to get a clue would mean that we'd never leave our houses.

^^^

seahawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:33 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:07 am Hopefully Atlanta's mayor is more cautious.

The news reporter in Atlanta said that part of the order means that local communities can't override the governor's dictates.