Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:12 am while it certainly helps to have POC leading a movement for POC rights, I also think it's feasible, even important, for leaders to emerge regardless of race.

Absolutely. And they have. Shaun King has a huge following and there is a lot of questions about his true race. His mom is white, his dad is mixed or light skinned according to him, but some black people from his hometown area say his dad is white (the dad listed on his birth certificate is white, but he claims that's not his real dad...i don't think his mom has ever publicly addressed it nor should she have to).

There is a lot of trust that has to be rebuilt before the black comminuty will have enough faith in white people to be "leaders" of their movement. For now, the best thing for white people to do is support the black community AND listen...and by listen I mean listen without feeling defensive or needing to say "ya but".

If 2pac hadnt died. We'd be hearing his name a lot.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:10 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:07 amObviously being elected president is a huge accomplishment. But i think some POC have expressed that he didnt fulfill many of their hopes for actually creating real change for black people/black communities in our country.

Could be more telling of the chair than the man.

Also the expectations associated with the chair, which are fantastical.

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:22 am If 2pac hadnt died. We'd be hearing his name a lot.

that's a good one. Heck, we still hear his name a lot.

and while he was astutely outspoken, he was also just so volatile.

RIP even if it was kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It is certainly time for younger leaders. Growing up with the Gen X, it was clear that they lacked commitment. It was too easy to come of age post-Vietnam, bitch about abstract Apartheid outrages, conform and thrive while the seed corn of education, infrastructure and public service withered away. Insert Roman analogy here.
The current coming of age generation is alive to diversity and inclusion and has inherited a worse set of expectations and planetary issues than any other. They must set aside the expedient bandages and counsel of those who brought us thus and start to define a new path. Too many of leaders of my generation were born into wealth and simply rigged the game against meritocracy. And the arrogant mediocrity that breeds failure still thrives.

When MLK died, he was exceedingly unpopular.
Obviously history has treated him much better.

Geezer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:31 am When MLK died, he was exceedingly unpopular.
Obviously history has treated him much better.

^^^

~ 2010-2011 during a casual conversation when MLK's name came up, our (now) former broker/financial advisor (from Arkansas) said to a lawyer I once slept with, : "You mean that guy who caused all that trouble?", we fired her almost instantly.

I'd be curious to hear more details about how unpopular MLK was.

I'm guessing it was mostly just unpopular among "the establishment?"

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:28 am

TDub wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:22 am If 2pac hadnt died. We'd be hearing his name a lot.

that's a good one. Heck, we still hear his name a lot.

and while he was astutely outspoken, he was also just so volatile.

RIP even if it was kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

He was a very intelligent man that played up the gangsta side of him to sell records. Unfortunately he got caught up in it and it got him killed. There is some interesting theories out there including one that says the govt killed him in order to prevent him from becoming an MLK type figure. While I dont believe that to be true, why havent they solves his murder? Lots of witnesses, lots of information and still no real answer. He had the voice, the spirit, and the ability to get people to listen and follow him.

yeah. dang, tupac unsolved mysteries.

apparently when he got in trouble growing up, his mother's punishment for him was he had to read the New York Times from cover to cover.

interesting...now that i think about it, there really haven’t been much in the way of “Dateline” style stories on Tupac

where you at, Netflix...ID...etc?

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:06 pm interesting...now that i think about it, there really haven’t been much in the way of “Dateline” style stories on Tupac

where you at, Netflix...ID...etc?

Watch "Thug Angel", resurrection is more popular but not as good.

USA network...meh

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:55 amObama's problem -- and it is HIS problem -- is that he's too invested in politics (and partisan politics, as well). Great leaders transcend politics, which is a cheap imitation of life.

It's not helpful for him that he's Barry Sanders and the DNC are the Detroit Lions. He separates from them and he watches them go down in flames.

hilarious

CnB knocks the analogy out of the park.

Meanwhile Ryan Leaf is throwing interceptions all over the field.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:26 pmhilarious

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:33 pm CnB knocks the analogy out of the park.

^^^

Finally, justification for taking him off ignore.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:34 pm Meanwhile Ryan Leaf is throwing interceptions all over the field.

Scott Mitchell?