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Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:17 pm
by hasbeen
I hate to be a broken record, lol jk I don't give a shit, but there ARE a lot of good pieces on this roster that mean absolutely nothing if we don't get an above average PG. The offense was hard to watch all season. I think Harris is good and by the time he's a senior we're looking at a very good player, but not now and not next season either.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:18 pm
by pdub
LVCHawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:12 pm
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:10 pm
I think Ochai improves from 3.
I think Braun improves from 3.
I think Bryce improves everywhere.
I think Jalen improves everywhere.
Harris will have more confidence.
Top 10 team with potential to be top 4.
This team had next to nothing reliable down low
This is a pretty bad take.
DMac shot what 56% in 2021?
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:19 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:17 pm
I hate to be a broken record, lol jk I don't give a shit, but there ARE a lot of good pieces on this roster that mean absolutely nothing if we don't get an above average PG. The offense was hard to watch all season. I think Harris is good and by the time he's a senior we're looking at a very good player, but not now and not next season either.
I'm not convinced Harris ever gets there.
Definitely bring other PG's in and if Harris beats them out over the next few seasons, great.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:19 pm
by sdoyel
hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:17 pm
I hate to be a broken record, lol jk I don't give a shit, but there ARE a lot of good pieces on this roster that mean absolutely nothing if we don't get an above average PG. The offense was hard to watch all season. I think Harris is good and by the time he's a senior we're looking at a very good player, but not now and not next season either.
What if it’s Marcus Garrett and we bring in TyTy Washington?
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:20 pm
by ousdahl
That’s a good point about Dave.
His footwork could improve. Learn to score before you get the ball, rather than collect every time you get the ball then try to score with some awkward spin move.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:20 pm
by hasbeen
Dave improved a lot as the season went on but I still had a panic attack anytime he frantically started backing someone down. He always looks like he's about to lose control of the ball even though he's just dribbling in one spot.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:21 pm
by LVCHawk
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:18 pm
LVCHawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:12 pm
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:10 pm
I think Ochai improves from 3.
I think Braun improves from 3.
I think Bryce improves everywhere.
I think Jalen improves everywhere.
Harris will have more confidence.
Top 10 team with potential to be top 4.
This team had next to nothing reliable down low
This is a pretty bad take.
DMac shot what 56% in 2021?
Did you ever feel confident when he shot, dribbled or made a post move? He was fine for what we had to work with but he needs some help. This team, including him, was a missed layup, bunny factory. It was like watching the 07 elite eight game half the time.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:22 pm
by sdoyel
Guess who this team is playing through next year?
Yep.
That Dave...
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:22 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
I haven't once this season thought Marcus was coming back next year.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:22 pm
by pdub
But he was our leading scorer for the latter half and led the Big 12 in FG%.
He’ll be better than that next year which is pretty good.
Ideally Ochai or Jalen are our leading scorers with DMac a close second.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:23 pm
by Leawood
I’m listening to post-game. He is growing on me.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:24 pm
by pdub
LVCHawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:21 pm
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:18 pm
LVCHawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:12 pm
This team had next to nothing reliable down low
This is a pretty bad take.
DMac shot what 56% in 2021?
Did you ever feel confident when he shot, dribbled or made a post move?
Yes.
Often down the stretch.
I think a lot of people had an impression of him to start the season ( justly so ) but when he got to his spots, he was pretty money.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:26 pm
by jfish26
hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:17 pm
I hate to be a broken record, lol jk I don't give a shit, but there ARE a lot of good pieces on this roster that mean absolutely nothing if we don't get an above average PG. The offense was hard to watch all season. I think Harris is good and by the time he's a senior we're looking at a very good player, but not now and not next season either.
I think it is clear that, whatever Bill's offense has evolved to, it needs an aces lead guard to make it work.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:27 pm
by Mjl
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:26 pm
hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:17 pm
I hate to be a broken record, lol jk I don't give a shit, but there ARE a lot of good pieces on this roster that mean absolutely nothing if we don't get an above average PG. The offense was hard to watch all season. I think Harris is good and by the time he's a senior we're looking at a very good player, but not now and not next season either.
I think it is clear that, whatever Bill's offense has evolved to, it needs an aces lead guard to make it work.
Or not having the 100-something-ith and 200-something-ith recruits as your starting wings.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:27 pm
by pdub
I’d expect him to make another leap to a 1st team B12 guy. He needs to time his rebounding better.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:28 pm
by LVCHawk
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:24 pm
LVCHawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:21 pm
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:18 pm
This is a pretty bad take.
DMac shot what 56% in 2021?
Did you ever feel confident when he shot, dribbled or made a post move?
Yes.
Often down the stretch.
I think a lot of people had an impression of him to start the season ( justly so ) but when he got to his spots, he was pretty money.
Well, Im happy you were able to enjoy it, lol. Ive never felt less confident about any big man I don't think that who was the main big in our lineup. I wish him the best next season though. I’ll be happy to be wrong if he dominates.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:28 pm
by hasbeen
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:26 pm
hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:17 pm
I hate to be a broken record, lol jk I don't give a shit, but there ARE a lot of good pieces on this roster that mean absolutely nothing if we don't get an above average PG. The offense was hard to watch all season. I think Harris is good and by the time he's a senior we're looking at a very good player, but not now and not next season either.
I think it is clear that, whatever Bill's offense has evolved to, it needs an aces lead guard to make it work.
Preferably two. I know it's not as easy as "rebuild some of the best teams KU has ever had" but Mario/Russ, Frank/Devonte, Devonte/Malik are really a model for how this is supposed to work.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:28 pm
by sdoyel
I don’t see Dave being any better next season, TBH. Maybe he starts to rebound better, but this is who he is...
That said, I have much bigger worries with this roster than McCormack.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:29 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:28 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:26 pm
hasbeen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:17 pm
I hate to be a broken record, lol jk I don't give a shit, but there ARE a lot of good pieces on this roster that mean absolutely nothing if we don't get an above average PG. The offense was hard to watch all season. I think Harris is good and by the time he's a senior we're looking at a very good player, but not now and not next season either.
I think it is clear that, whatever Bill's offense has evolved to, it needs an aces lead guard to make it work.
Preferably two. I know it's not as easy as "rebuild some of the best teams KU has ever had" but Mario/Russ, Frank/Devonte, Devonte/Malik are really a model for how this is supposed to work.
Ty and Elijah were also nails for 2.5 months.
Re: Is the Golden Era over?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:30 pm
by sdoyel
IMO, the single most important current player for next year is Agbaji. This guy has to go out with a major bang. None of this scoreless half, 3-13 shit in win or go home games.