Kansas Crimson

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:25 pm Having the polls generates fan interest when opposing ranked teams come to town. Other than that, they really don't have much bearing on the sport during the course of a season. The week to week ebb and flow of them is pretty inconsequential in the scheme of things other than to generate conversation about the sport, which as a college hoops fan, is an overall good thing.

good post. only thing i'd add is that the polls tend to iron themselves out over the course of the season in a natural way. so, maybe not "abolish" the polls, but we should know to not take them seriously at all until late-January?

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:28 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:21 pm I dont trust self driving cars...ever. nope, no thanks. I'm not letting jesus or Elon or anyone else take the wheel....I got this.

It's basically a statistical fact that people think they are better drivers than they actually are.

So, the question you might ask yourself instead: on average, do you trust another driver or a self driving car more?

To tie it into sports and KenPom: this is why Vegas always ends up winning.

Its a good question. I still think I trust another person driving than a machine. Theres a lot if peripheral information and terrain considerations that I think the machine is not able to account for as well as a living being. I am inherently distrustful of machines, regardless of statistics. I am not a futurists, perhaps to a fault.

hoopla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:47 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:25 pm Having the polls generates fan interest when opposing ranked teams come to town. Other than that, they really don't have much bearing on the sport during the course of a season. The week to week ebb and flow of them is pretty inconsequential in the scheme of things other than to generate conversation about the sport, which as a college hoops fan, is an overall good thing.

good post. only thing i'd add is that the polls tend to iron themselves out over the course of the season in a natural way. so, maybe not "abolish" the polls, but we should know to not take them seriously at all until late-January?

Make it start Jan 1. Make it a rule that no one is eligible to be ranked until they have played 4 conference games, I don't know. I 100% agree that they shouldn't be taken seriously for a while still.

I'd love to see statistics broken down by the specific week ranked in the AP Poll. I'd put a heck of a lot more weight behind a Top 5 ranking in Week 15 than I would in Week 5.

This site made an attempt to do it but fell a bit short.

https://collegepollarchive.com/index.cfm

Interesting but not all it could be. A few college interns could fatten out that database and it's not a big investment to update their website to make it really good. Oh well. Random blabbing of the night.

AlOerter wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:19 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:28 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:21 pm I dont trust self driving cars...ever. nope, no thanks. I'm not letting jesus or Elon or anyone else take the wheel....I got this.

It's basically a statistical fact that people think they are better drivers than they actually are.

So, the question you might ask yourself instead: on average, do you trust another driver or a self driving car more?

To tie it into sports and KenPom: this is why Vegas always ends up winning.

The difference being that when Vegas is wrong someone loses money - when a self-driving car is wrong someone gets injured or dies.

Sure. The analogy doesn't quite fully work for me.

3.
5 Kenpom.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:30 am 3.
5 Kenpom.

win this week and we'll be #2 at least...woth Purdue dusting out

Lundardi has us as the #1 overall seed today.

We're not that good, but we always put together such a solid resume.

I didn't think a Sweet 16 game in KC was likely this season, but it's trending that direction.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:14 am We're not that good, but we always put together such a solid resume.

Rinse, repeat.

About 1/4 of the seasons you can cross out the not and the but. But this applies the other 3/4 of the time.

The Big 12 streak gets mentioned a lot, but it's Bill's run of 4 seeds or higher that makes him one of the greatest of all time--going to end up in the same breath as K. And most of those are 1's and 3's with some 2's sprinkled in.

No. 2 in the AP poll. 22 first place votes, Houston gets 34.

Houston is really good and continues to play well. It would have been had to argue anyone other than Houston over KU for No. 1 this week.

5. Tennessee
10. Texas
11. Kansas State
14. Iowa State
17. TCU
18. Wisconsin
20. Missouri
24. Duke

Too bad it turns out that Indiana sucks

Kenpom has 10 interesting/past/future opponents starting at 21:

21 UNC
22 Indiana
23 WVU
24 Duke
25 Kentucky
26 ksu
27 Baylor
28 OSU
29 ISU
30 Providence
31 Oklahoma

Mjl wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:40 pm Too bad it turns out that Indiana sucks

In their defense, they didn't suck this bad until after their PG went down against us. I don't know enough to assess their depth at each position, but most teams don't get better after losing their starting PG to injury.

I hope that this “oh yea we can pull it out” attitude doesn’t get so entrenched that all of a sudden we are on the wrong end of a 69-67 game.

we will inevitably lose games, head scratching games...we always do.

But....the fight, never give up, mental toughness built in these games pays dividends later. They KNOW they CAN come back. Thats invaluable. We don't have to go very far back in history to prove why that's important in a teams make up.

Polls are dumb but we’re right where I though we would be at 9.

Matches Kenpom.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:19 am Polls are dumb but we’re right where I though we would be at 9.

I would maybe argue the metrics should have us around 9, but our weekly AP ranking might need to be around 15.

Feb 1st 2022 Kenpom:

3 Baylor
11 Kansas
12 Texas Tech
15 Texas
24 Iowa State

Jan 27 2023:
9 Texas
10 Kansas
13 TCU
14 Iowa State
16 Baylor
21 West Virginia
25 ksu