Kansas Crimson

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:34 pm

Back2Lawrence wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:25 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 1:52 pm they at least would have tried

you are both wrong. it's just constant back and forth well yeah but your side nonsense anymore. Health care is so immense, though, everyone gets a piece of the pie.

what’s the ACA if not trying to remedy the problem?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:08 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:34 pm

Back2Lawrence wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:25 pm

you are both wrong. it's just constant back and forth well yeah but your side nonsense anymore. Health care is so immense, though, everyone gets a piece of the pie.

what’s the ACA if not trying to remedy the problem?

but hasn’t healthcare since the Affordable Care Act become much LESS affordable overall?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:08 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:34 pm

Back2Lawrence wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:25 pm

you are both wrong. it's just constant back and forth well yeah but your side nonsense anymore. Health care is so immense, though, everyone gets a piece of the pie.

what’s the ACA if not trying to remedy the problem?

Yet another bone thrown to capital, but at least with a cute name?

Wasn’t it like literally written by insurance companies. And shelved an actual universal/single payer option way early on. And sure I think it nixed shit like being dropped for pre-existing conditions, but hasn’t healthcare since the Affordable Care Act become much LESS affordable overall?

Not to mention the whole idea of a law mandating purchase of a free market private sector product.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:13 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:00 pm I had terrific insurance when I was younger and never needed it. Now as a self employed person my insurance is expensive and it's crappy insurance.

So...I know this is an unpopular opinion 'round these parts, but the "A"CA is partly responsible for that.

Before the ACA (as the owner of two businesses but the only "employee" in my state), I bought family insurance on the open market. I had heart surgery in 2009 (and am still eternally grateful to Shirley for the reassurance he provided beforehand) and am, therefore, considered a "high-risk" insuree. I bought a normal family policy for Creamcheese and the kids and a high-risk-pool policy for myself. (38 states had high-risk pools available for people with preexisting conditions before ACA, narrative to the contrary). I paid about $500/month for all of them and about $750/month for myself, $1250 total. Not great, but not bad.

After ACA became law, its preexisting-condition provision ("community pricing") did NOT lower costs for people like me. Instead, it forced underwriters to treat EVERYONE as potentially high-risk. As a result, individual/family rates skyrocketed. Keeping the same coverage would have cost us around $4000/month (an increase of $2750/month, for those of you scoring at home).

Needless to say, we balked at that price. Creamcheese gave up her career as a mom and went back to working for other people, so we could have insurance that didn't cost us almost $50,000/year.

I'm not saying that our old system was great. But the ACA was a sop to the insurance companies and little more. Bipartisan Corporatism is the name of our political game.

Also, for the record, in 2008 John McCain proposed beginning the process of undoing the stupid war-era relic policy that tied health insurance to employment. He was roundly pilloried for doing by EVERYONE. Our health care system is indeed fucked up. The original sin in fucking it up, though, was the war-era policy of wage controls, which made health insurance a fringe benefit that employers could use to lure the best workers.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:06 pm fairly certain is isnt

Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:10 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:06 pm fairly certain is isnt

Consolidation resulting in fewer co.s selling health insurance would seem to be anti-competitive.

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:31 am also, for a guy that has spent the last....year? railing against every facet of government and every decision the government has made.....

you sure are eager to hand them control over more and more things.