Kansas Crimson

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:50 am

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:39 am https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

"Healthcare! This one's huge."
5th one down.

"climate change."
10th one down.

"reproductive rights"
11th one down.

"also things like immigration, weed, voter rights, Citizens United, any number of anything for which an actual vision was an opportunity to have popular appeal more so than some status quo."

Read up.

good finds!

5th one down..."Expanding and strengthening the Affordable Care Act" sounds more like "trying to brag about a plan...from 15 years and 4 administrations ago" more so than it does her 2020 campaign idea of single payer/medicare for all

10th one down...if the Inflation Reduction Act really is doing the great things she says it is, she should have campaigned on it harder, and/or considered maybe it wasn't as great as she says it is

11th one down...she basically punts the issue of reproductive rights to the states and congress. Wish she did a better job of articulating her plan for getting congress and/or the states on board.

Good for her for finally putting some platform issues on her website, tho. When Biden stepped down and she got the nod I remember criticism that she did NOT have any real platform on her site, for several weeks after her effective nomination.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:51 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:42 am

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:24 am I do…if combined with Biden realizing he wasn’t fit for a second term.

Would more time have helped break through the nonreality bubble? Maybe. I could also see an argument that a blitz campaign like Harris’s would have been the better strategy anyway.

I think ultimately this was about the specific timing of our exit from high inflation, combined with the capture of our information ecosystem (and the durability of some human-nature ugliness in our instincts).

Harris was one of the least popular choices in the Dem primary in 2020.

They ignored that. And it mattered.

Again, it had to be Harris at the point it became Harris. But, it should have never gotten that far. We spent several years pretending Biden was going to be good to go for a 2nd term. When in reality, he wasn't.

I think we'll be fine. We survived Trump's first term. We will survive his second term too.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:56 am

BiggDick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:50 am

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:39 am https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

"Healthcare! This one's huge."
5th one down.

"climate change."
10th one down.

"reproductive rights"
11th one down.

"also things like immigration, weed, voter rights, Citizens United, any number of anything for which an actual vision was an opportunity to have popular appeal more so than some status quo."

Read up.

good finds!

5th one down..."Expanding and strengthening the Affordable Care Act" sounds more like "trying to brag about a plan...from 15 years and 4 administrations ago" more so than it does her 2020 campaign idea of single payer/medicare for all

10th one down...if the Inflation Reduction Act really is doing the great things she says it is, she should have campaigned on it harder, and/or considered maybe it wasn't as great as she says it is

11th one down...she basically punts the issue of reproductive rights to the states and congress. Wish she did a better job of articulating her plan for getting congress and/or the states on board.

Good for her for finally putting some platform issues on her website, tho. When Biden stepped down and she got the nod I remember criticism that she did NOT have any real platform on her site, for several weeks after her effective nomination.

And you wonder why I think you've taken the new Illy role.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:01 am I don’t think this result really says anything about the Ds or their candidates.

I think the election was a mirror, and the reflection showed more people that think one way than people that think another way.

Because I am a person that thinks that other way, I think this is the wrong result.

But, it’s the result.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:51 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:42 am

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:24 am I do…if combined with Biden realizing he wasn’t fit for a second term.

Would more time have helped break through the nonreality bubble? Maybe. I could also see an argument that a blitz campaign like Harris’s would have been the better strategy anyway.

I think ultimately this was about the specific timing of our exit from high inflation, combined with the capture of our information ecosystem (and the durability of some human-nature ugliness in our instincts).

Harris was one of the least popular choices in the Dem primary in 2020.

They ignored that. And it mattered.

Again, it had to be Harris at the point it became Harris. But, it should have never gotten that far. We spent several years pretending Biden was going to be good to go for a 2nd term. When in reality, he wasn't.

I think we'll be fine. We survived Trump's first term. We will survive his second term too.

Sparko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:10 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:01 am I don’t think this result really says anything about the Ds or their candidates.

I think the election was a mirror, and the reflection showed more people that think one way than people that think another way.

Because I am a person that thinks that other way, I think this is the wrong result.

But, it’s the result.

That is how I see it too. We have folks who will light a match to inspect the fuel and cannot be talked out of it. This is a dangerous time The cruelty at the root of this will play out.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:30 am we don't really talk politics much in our house, it's just not something we do at length.

My daughter was very excited that a woman might be president and even the minor increases in confidence that gave her was interesting to watch.

Now, instead, she most assuredly will lose federal rights at some level ranging from minor to very impactful.

If for nothing else this makes me sad.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:05 am "Hey, Kamala could have campaigned on these issues."
Shows proof that she did.
"OK, but not the exact way I wanted her to campaign about those issues!"

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:34 am Democrats need to identify the straight, white male that they want to be their next candidate. Others need not apply because that is all this nation will put in the White House in my lifetime.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:34 am Democrats need to identify the straight, white male that they want to be their next candidate. Others need not apply because that is all this nation will put in the White House in my lifetime.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:46 am current estimates show that somewhere between 15-20 Million/i] people who voted for Biden decided to not vote at all this year.

When people are concerned in large part about economics....and the general thought is that the economy is bad (people in general don't understand economics) the incumbent doesn't perform well. They should've distanced themselves from the incumbent instead of leaning into it

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:36 am

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:05 am "Hey, Kamala could have campaigned on these issues."
Shows proof that she did.
"OK, but not the exact way I wanted her to campaign about those issues!"

This.