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Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:38 pm
by KUTradition
that’s enlightening

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:56 pm
by japhy
I find this take on DEI/woke-ism interesting. I tease DC about his fear of Mickey Mouse being tied to some unknown early age nightmare, but we do agree on more things than we disagree with regards to how business and government should be run. We may have different approaches to get there, but in the end, the goal is “getting there”. Not the purity of how we do it or public performative signaling that we realize there is a problem.

Let’s just fucking talk about it and solve the god damn problem!

My most recent experience with some of this was helping put together a festival of sorts in the Empire. The committee was majority made of up people from the non-profit world and community organizers and art people. Annie and I were the only business oriented and by that I mean we have started and built and managed viable commercial entities from scratch and made a living solely by that means. We come from a background of pragmatism and setting and reaching goals.

We had numerous meetings making sure everyone got “heard” and that different perspectives were given due “respect”. We spent 6 months talking semantics and did not have a “date specific” a “schedule of events” or a “means of funding” for something that was to occur in a month. Being the outsiders we took a back seat and resisted the urge to grab the reigns and steer this. Eventually as it got down to the wire we intervened and instilled a sense of urgency in everyone. If they wanted people to show up, they needed to let the public know about this in time for people to decide to go. It worked out and about 400 folks showed up, the obligatory “acknowledgement statements” were performatively read before every performance. As always these did nothing and changed no one, but whatever.

I have seen the book, “Elite Capture – How the powerful took over identity politics (and everything else) ” described and reviewed a few times but never read it. Here’s another review. It’s cover is not as clever as DC’s book and I doubt Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò has ever sat in Tucker Carlson’s muthafuckin slouchy chair, but don’t let that dissuade you from reading further….
Days into the national insurrection that boiled over after the police lynching of George Floyd, in May, 2020, Muriel Bowser, a Black woman and the mayor of Washington, D.C., ordered that the words “Black Lives Matter” be painted in mustard yellow along Sixteenth Street, near the White House. The symbolism radiated from multiple directions. Almost a week earlier, law-enforcement agents had used tear gas to clear Lafayette Park, which intersects the street, of protesters. The mural was a thumb in the eye of Trump, who certainly took it as such. He thundered, in response, that Bowser was “incompetent” and “constantly coming back to us for ‘handouts.’ ”

In the fall of 2021, Bowser announced that the segment of Sixteenth Street displaying the mural—renamed as Black Lives Matter Plaza—had been turned into a permanent monument. She explained, “The Black Lives Matter mural is a representation of an expression of our saying no, but also identifying and claiming a part of our city that had been taken over by federal forces.” Speaking of its wider significance, she said, “There are people who are craving to be heard and to be seen, and to have their humanity recognized, and we had the opportunity to send that message loud and clear on a very important street in our city.”

Last spring, nearly two years after her confrontation with Trump, Bowser proposed a new spending budget for Washington, D.C., that spoke as loudly as the paint used to decorate B.L.M. Plaza. In a press conference celebrating a surplus created in part by the federal government’s pandemic stimulus, Bowser announced, “We’ve been able to invest in something we’ve been wanting to invest in a long time—the sports complex. We’ve been able to invest in a new jail.” Bowser was promising to spend more than two hundred and fifty million dollars to eventually replace part of the existing jail. She was also proposing thirty million dollars to hire and retain new police officers, with the goal of bringing the force to a total of four thousand members; another nearly ten million dollars would add one hundred and seventy new speed cameras across the municipality.

Despite Bowser’s very public embrace of the slogan “Black Lives Matter,” even enshrining its existence in the nation’s capital, the D.C. Mayor was now advancing a political agenda that stood in stark contrast to the movement’s demand to defund the police. Instead, Bowser had denuded the most radical imaginings of the movement into the decidedly vague “craving to be heard,” while also wielding it as a shield to protect her from activists’ accusations that her policies would harm Black communities. Bowser was able to benefit from the assumption that, as a Black woman who had angered and been insulted by Trump after painting “Black Lives Matter” on a public street, she could be trusted to do what was in the best interest of the Black community.

The most profound changes in Black life in the past several decades have been along the lines of class and status, creating political and social chasms between élites and ordinary Black people. After the struggles of the nineteen-sixties and seventies, it was no longer politically tenable in the U.S. to make decisions about minorities without their participation. This was especially true in cities that had experienced riots and rebellions. But exclusion gave way to shallow representation of African Americans in politics and the private sector as evidence of color blindness and progress. The rooms where decisions were being made were no longer entirely white and male; they were now punctuated with token representations of race and gender.

Not only could the few stand in to represent the many but their existence could also serve as evidence that the system could work for those who had formerly been excluded. And these new representatives could also use the language of identity politics, because many of them continued to experience racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination. But their aspirations were different from those who first used these left-wing political frameworks. The new representatives were not interested in transforming the system so much as they were trying to navigate it.

These tensions are strained when Black élites or political operatives claim to speak on behalf of the Black public or Black social movements while also engaging in political actions that either are in opposition to the movement or reinforce the status quo. It is a process described by the writer and philosopher Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò as “elite capture.” The concept, derived from the politics of global development, describes scenarios in which local élites in developing countries would seize resources intended for the much larger public. Táíwò explains that the term is used “to describe the way socially advantaged people tend to gain control over benefits meant for everyone” (if only rhetorically).

Táíwò, a professor of philosophy at Georgetown, published his first book earlier this year. Titled “Reconsidering Reparations,” it argues that, if colonialism and slavery were responsible for the maldistribution of wealth and resources that has made Black and brown people particularly vulnerable to today’s climate crisis, then the repair should be just as expansive or capable of remaking the world. In 2020, Táíwò wrote several essays critiquing the variety of ways that the concept of “identity politics” has been transformed from a radical invention of the Black feminist left of the sixties and seventies into a placid appeal to racial and gender representation. The themes of these essays have now been spun into a tight, short volume published by Haymarket Books, titled “Elite Capture: How the Powerful Took Over Identity Politics (and Everything Else).”

Táíwò begins his examination of identity politics with the Combahee River Collective, a group of Black lesbian socialists that formed in the late nineteen-seventies. Among them were Demita Frazier and the twin sisters Barbara and Beverly Smith, who wrote the Combahee River Statement, in which they coined the term “identity politics.” The women were veterans of the antiwar and feminist movements but also connected to the civil-rights movement and Black-liberation struggles of the era. In their wide range of experiences, the issues of importance to them—namely organizing against forced sterilizations and intimate-partner violence against women—were rarely taken seriously by others, including Black men and white women.

In the Combahee River Statement, the authors explained that Black women had to map out their own political agenda: “We realize that the only people who care enough about us to work consistently for our liberation are us.” They continued, “This focusing upon our own oppression is embodied in the concept of identity politics. We believe that the most profound and potentially most radical politics come directly out of our own identity, as opposed to working to end somebody else’s oppression. . . . We reject pedestals, queenhood, and walking ten paces behind. To be recognized as human, levelly human, is enough.”

In this way, standpoint epistemology, or the ability to acquire knowledge because of your lived experience or social standing, is closely linked to the Combahee’s vision of identity politics. It was a powerful rejection of the status quo in the social sciences, which for many years had relied upon powerful outsiders, typically white men, to extoll their own wisdom about the lives of the marginalized, excluded, and oppressed. The powerful social movements of the era swept aside the common sense of white-male authority, transforming the marginalized from examined objects into subjects capable of controlling their own destiny.

Táíwò describes a subsequent shift in which these frameworks have become unmoored from their outsider status to be used by rich and powerful people, including people of color, to maintain the status quo. He adds that “recent trends in identity politics seem to be supercharging, rather than restraining, élite capture.” He cites examples of Black élites using radical slogans or other kinds of social-movement invocations to further the status quo while appearing to be aligned with the movement and Black public opinion. There are also more complex examples of activists using undemocratic forms of organizing that prioritize the insights and acumen of paid staff and organizers over the working-class public. In some dramatic examples, ostensibly grassroots organizations have transformed themselves into foundations to dispense money and advice to grassroots organizers, as was the case with the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. Táíwò speaks directly to the dynamic that can emerge in these situations: “In the absence of the right kinds of checks or constraints, the subgroup of people with power over and access to the resources used to describe, define, and create political realities . . . will capture the group’s values, forcing people to coordinate on a narrower social project that disproportionately represents elite interests.” This was Audre Lorde’s pointed insight when she remarked that the “master’s tools” cannot dismantle the master’s house; the oppressed cannot use the same methods as the oppressor and still hope for a just outcome.

Though élite capture is a general phenomenon, there is something particularly jarring about its effects on Black politics, especially in the United States. Given the history of racial subjugation of Black people and the prevalence of state-sponsored white supremacy well into the twentieth century, a collective experience attributed to, by Táíwò and others, “racial capitalism,” Americans tend to see racial categories as stable, if not static. This is also true among African Americans, even though within Black communities there is much more awareness of the tensions of social class that pull at the threads assumed in the universalizing trait of blackness. And, because racism remains powerful across categories of class, there is an assumption that a single Black community is united around an ongoing struggle for Black freedom.

Consider the experiences of LaToya Cantrell, the first Black woman to be the mayor of New Orleans. During the protests of 2020, Cantrell was a target of labor activists, who were angry about the lack of sick leave and other provisions for workers in the tourism industry, and who rallied outside her home, where she was working during the height of the pandemic. In an open letter, Cantrell invoked her identity to rebuke the protesters. She wrote:

"This moment must redress those who have been marginalized by our tourism economy, by failed policies, and by an economic collapse that has hit the least of us the hardest. It cannot be about misdirected anger. It cannot be about empty gestures. And it cannot be about storming angrily into a residential neighborhood leaving my daughter feeling terrorized, a 12 year-old black girl, whose mother rose from the epicenter of the crack cocaine epidemic, whose family did not come from a place of privilege. . . . My father was a victim of the crack epidemic. My stepfather was another casualty of the same scourge—which ran unchecked by those in power, while it decimated the black community. My brother was system-involved and turned his life around. My stepbrother was system-involved and taken from us by violence at 18. This is not a story about privilege and power. I can stand up and say Black Lives Matter because I’ve personally had to fight to make that true every day of my life."

Cantrell’s personal story is a moving one but also one that was dispatched to deflect legitimate protest: she is the mayor; she holds a position of power and authority in local government. This tactic is powerful not because the people it’s directed at don’t understand that élites can be manipulative and evoke personal stories to conjure empathy, but because the persistence of racism makes the stories resonate personally. And, when public officials are subjected to racist attacks, as they often are—just think about the Obamas—then the feelings of familiarity and solidarity are intensified in ways that resemble what political scientist Michael Dawson has described as “linked fate” or the idea that the social, economic, and political fortunes of African Americans are tied together because of shared identity and history.

These appeals to identity politics are much more impactful than the promises of corporate executives to spend money to make Black lives matter. Nevertheless, as Táíwò writes, “treating such elites’ interests as necessarily or even presumptively aligned with the broader group’s interests involves a political naivete we cannot afford.” This confusion then “functions as a form of racial Reaganomics: a strategy reliant on fantasies about the exchange rate between the attention economy and the material economy.” Táíwò adds that we need to “fix the social structure itself—the rooms we interact in, and the house they make up. Deference, as a strategy, bears at best a tenuous relationship to this goal.”

Last spring, nearly two years after her confrontation with Trump, Bowser proposed a new spending budget for Washington, D.C., that spoke as loudly as the paint used to decorate B.L.M. Plaza. In a press conference celebrating a surplus created in part by the federal government’s pandemic stimulus, Bowser announced, “We’ve been able to invest in something we’ve been wanting to invest in a long time—the sports complex. We’ve been able to invest in a new jail.” Bowser was promising to spend more than two hundred and fifty million dollars to eventually replace part of the existing jail. She was also proposing thirty million dollars to hire and retain new police officers, with the goal of bringing the force to a total of four thousand members; another nearly ten million dollars would add one hundred and seventy new speed cameras across the municipality.

These politics are not only present in big-city encounters between elected officials but also within political movements and coalitions. Táíwò describes this as the tendency to “pass the mic” to supposedly the “most impacted” in a given room or meeting. As he explains, “At face value, a commitment to these ideas should help us resist and contain elite capture. They should provide a basis for respecting knowledge that the institutions of the world otherwise want to discredit.” But, for Táíwò, the focus on deference or passing the mike can be counterproductive, in that it “locates attentional injustice in the selection of spokespeople and book lists taken to represent the marginalized.” He’s not suggesting we return to political meetings dominated by conversations between white men. As he clarifies, “We all deserve these attentional goods, which are often denied, even to the ‘elites’ of marginalized and stigmatized groups.” But he uses his own experiences as an example of the problem in the approach. More than a few times, Táíwò has had the mike passed to him because he is Black and a first-generation Nigerian American in the United States, though to center him as more authentically aware of social injustice ignores Táíwò’s class privilege, as an American kid who went to good schools, with Advanced Placement and honors classes, compared with the fate of tens of millions of Nigerians and many others who grew up in the U.S. He concedes that it may be better to hear from him than to hear from a white person of a similar class background, but he nevertheless maintains that “these are the last facts we should want to hold fixed. And if our aim is simply to do better than the epistemic norms that we’ve inherited from a history of explicit global apartheid, that is an awfully low bar to set.

To that end, Táíwò is interested in constructive, as opposed to deference, politics. “A constructive political culture would focus on outcome over process,” he writes—“the pursuit of specific goals or end results rather than avoiding complicity in injustice or promoting purely moral or aesthetic principles.” Táíwò does not get into the details of how activist groups might go about building campaigns, but he does see the politics of deference within these groups as undermining their potential. As he writes, “To opt for deference, rather than interdependence, may soothe short-term psychological wounds. But it does so at a steep cost: it may undermine the goals that motivated the project—and it entrenches a politics that does not serve those fighting for freedom over privilege, for collective liberation over mere parochial advantage.” He says, of traumatic experience, “It is not what gives me a special right to speak, to evaluate, or to decide for a group. It is a concrete, experiential manifestation of the vulnerability that connects me to most of the people on this earth. It comes between me and other people not as a wall, but as a bridge.”

With this definition of trauma, Táíwò invokes the feminist classic “This Bridge Called My Back,” and the political debates over social change in which the concept of identity politics emerged. In an interview, Barbara Smith, of the Combahee River Collective, once talked about the importance of the idea of a bridge as a way to overcome difference, saying that the notion of, “ ‘If I don’t have a particular identity, I’m not allowed to work on a particular issue’—that sounds to me like an excuse. That sounds to me like O.K., so that’s what somebody decides if they’re not really willing to go there, and go through the struggle of crossing boundaries and working across differences.”

What Táíwò and the Combahee River Collective, of which Audre Lorde was also a member, were arguing is not to paper over our differences for the sake of building inclusive movements. Rather, they demonstrate that identity politics is an important entry point into a world deeply defined by racism and gender inequality and hatred, but it alone is not enough. We must find the ties that bind us together, to see how our oppressions are linked, to build bridges to each other’s struggles and find ways to unite. This is the opposite of élite capture; it is a remaking of the world. As Táíwò, echoing Marx, reminds us, the point, after all, is to change it.
Fuckin A Oussie! A Marx reference, you should be all over this shit!

Those of you who go all the way back to KUSports.com might member that we once did a group reading/discussion of “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich” by Solzhenitsyn. This was a joint proposal by myself and psych at the time to the contributors on the politics board. It didn’t get too far but it was an attempt at discussing/finding common ground. The ideas of diversity and equity and inclusion will never die and so likely will struggles to achieve the same. I am gonna buy the book “Elite Capture – How the powerful took over identity politics (and everything else) ”and read it. It is not said to be a reference book on how to solve the problem, it is supposedly a review of where we are and how movements have been coopted by “elite” forces and made to be performative rather than reach goals. It is up to us as people to figure out how to raise everyone up and create a better society. And with that I invite anyone else who is interested, to read the book and I will start a thread at some point to discuss. Who knows, this the sort of shit DC might venture back here to discuss, if we promise to pimp his book next and discuss of course.

In that vein of thinking I will hereby renounce my use of the term “rube” and no longer weaponize it’s use it on here, as a peace offering to those who think otherwise than me. I believe and “acknowledge” it to have been counterproductive.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:58 pm
by MICHHAWK
i didn't read all that. because it is too much to read. and i don't care.

but i blame the rubes.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:03 pm
by JKLivin
japhy wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:56 pm I find this take on DEI/woke-ism interesting. I tease DC about his fear of Mickey Mouse being tied to some unknown early age nightmare, but we do agree on more things than we disagree with regards to how business and government should be run. We may have different approaches to get there, but in the end, the goal is “getting there”. Not the purity of how we do it or public performative signaling that we realize there is a problem.

Let’s just fucking talk about it and solve the god damn problem!

My most recent experience with some of this was helping put together a festival of sorts in the Empire. The committee was majority made of up people from the non-profit world and community organizers and art people. Annie and I were the only business oriented and by that I mean we have started and built and managed viable commercial entities from scratch and made a living solely by that means. We come from a background of pragmatism and setting and reaching goals.

We had numerous meetings making sure everyone got “heard” and that different perspectives were given due “respect”. We spent 6 months talking semantics and did not have a “date specific” a “schedule of events” or a “means of funding” for something that was to occur in a month. Being the outsiders we took a back seat and resisted the urge to grab the reigns and steer this. Eventually as it got down to the wire we intervened and instilled a sense of urgency in everyone. If they wanted people to show up, they needed to let the public know about this in time for people to decide to go. It worked out and about 400 folks showed up, the obligatory “acknowledgement statements” were performatively read before every performance. As always these did nothing and changed no one, but whatever.

I have seen the book, “Elite Capture – How the powerful took over identity politics (and everything else) ” described and reviewed a few times but never read it. Here’s another review. It’s cover is not as clever as DC’s book and I doubt Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò has ever sat in Tucker Carlson’s muthafuckin slouchy chair, but don’t let that dissuade you from reading further….
Days into the national insurrection that boiled over after the police lynching of George Floyd, in May, 2020, Muriel Bowser, a Black woman and the mayor of Washington, D.C., ordered that the words “Black Lives Matter” be painted in mustard yellow along Sixteenth Street, near the White House. The symbolism radiated from multiple directions. Almost a week earlier, law-enforcement agents had used tear gas to clear Lafayette Park, which intersects the street, of protesters. The mural was a thumb in the eye of Trump, who certainly took it as such. He thundered, in response, that Bowser was “incompetent” and “constantly coming back to us for ‘handouts.’ ”

In the fall of 2021, Bowser announced that the segment of Sixteenth Street displaying the mural—renamed as Black Lives Matter Plaza—had been turned into a permanent monument. She explained, “The Black Lives Matter mural is a representation of an expression of our saying no, but also identifying and claiming a part of our city that had been taken over by federal forces.” Speaking of its wider significance, she said, “There are people who are craving to be heard and to be seen, and to have their humanity recognized, and we had the opportunity to send that message loud and clear on a very important street in our city.”

Last spring, nearly two years after her confrontation with Trump, Bowser proposed a new spending budget for Washington, D.C., that spoke as loudly as the paint used to decorate B.L.M. Plaza. In a press conference celebrating a surplus created in part by the federal government’s pandemic stimulus, Bowser announced, “We’ve been able to invest in something we’ve been wanting to invest in a long time—the sports complex. We’ve been able to invest in a new jail.” Bowser was promising to spend more than two hundred and fifty million dollars to eventually replace part of the existing jail. She was also proposing thirty million dollars to hire and retain new police officers, with the goal of bringing the force to a total of four thousand members; another nearly ten million dollars would add one hundred and seventy new speed cameras across the municipality.

Despite Bowser’s very public embrace of the slogan “Black Lives Matter,” even enshrining its existence in the nation’s capital, the D.C. Mayor was now advancing a political agenda that stood in stark contrast to the movement’s demand to defund the police. Instead, Bowser had denuded the most radical imaginings of the movement into the decidedly vague “craving to be heard,” while also wielding it as a shield to protect her from activists’ accusations that her policies would harm Black communities. Bowser was able to benefit from the assumption that, as a Black woman who had angered and been insulted by Trump after painting “Black Lives Matter” on a public street, she could be trusted to do what was in the best interest of the Black community.

The most profound changes in Black life in the past several decades have been along the lines of class and status, creating political and social chasms between élites and ordinary Black people. After the struggles of the nineteen-sixties and seventies, it was no longer politically tenable in the U.S. to make decisions about minorities without their participation. This was especially true in cities that had experienced riots and rebellions. But exclusion gave way to shallow representation of African Americans in politics and the private sector as evidence of color blindness and progress. The rooms where decisions were being made were no longer entirely white and male; they were now punctuated with token representations of race and gender.

Not only could the few stand in to represent the many but their existence could also serve as evidence that the system could work for those who had formerly been excluded. And these new representatives could also use the language of identity politics, because many of them continued to experience racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination. But their aspirations were different from those who first used these left-wing political frameworks. The new representatives were not interested in transforming the system so much as they were trying to navigate it.

These tensions are strained when Black élites or political operatives claim to speak on behalf of the Black public or Black social movements while also engaging in political actions that either are in opposition to the movement or reinforce the status quo. It is a process described by the writer and philosopher Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò as “elite capture.” The concept, derived from the politics of global development, describes scenarios in which local élites in developing countries would seize resources intended for the much larger public. Táíwò explains that the term is used “to describe the way socially advantaged people tend to gain control over benefits meant for everyone” (if only rhetorically).

Táíwò, a professor of philosophy at Georgetown, published his first book earlier this year. Titled “Reconsidering Reparations,” it argues that, if colonialism and slavery were responsible for the maldistribution of wealth and resources that has made Black and brown people particularly vulnerable to today’s climate crisis, then the repair should be just as expansive or capable of remaking the world. In 2020, Táíwò wrote several essays critiquing the variety of ways that the concept of “identity politics” has been transformed from a radical invention of the Black feminist left of the sixties and seventies into a placid appeal to racial and gender representation. The themes of these essays have now been spun into a tight, short volume published by Haymarket Books, titled “Elite Capture: How the Powerful Took Over Identity Politics (and Everything Else).”

Táíwò begins his examination of identity politics with the Combahee River Collective, a group of Black lesbian socialists that formed in the late nineteen-seventies. Among them were Demita Frazier and the twin sisters Barbara and Beverly Smith, who wrote the Combahee River Statement, in which they coined the term “identity politics.” The women were veterans of the antiwar and feminist movements but also connected to the civil-rights movement and Black-liberation struggles of the era. In their wide range of experiences, the issues of importance to them—namely organizing against forced sterilizations and intimate-partner violence against women—were rarely taken seriously by others, including Black men and white women.

In the Combahee River Statement, the authors explained that Black women had to map out their own political agenda: “We realize that the only people who care enough about us to work consistently for our liberation are us.” They continued, “This focusing upon our own oppression is embodied in the concept of identity politics. We believe that the most profound and potentially most radical politics come directly out of our own identity, as opposed to working to end somebody else’s oppression. . . . We reject pedestals, queenhood, and walking ten paces behind. To be recognized as human, levelly human, is enough.”

In this way, standpoint epistemology, or the ability to acquire knowledge because of your lived experience or social standing, is closely linked to the Combahee’s vision of identity politics. It was a powerful rejection of the status quo in the social sciences, which for many years had relied upon powerful outsiders, typically white men, to extoll their own wisdom about the lives of the marginalized, excluded, and oppressed. The powerful social movements of the era swept aside the common sense of white-male authority, transforming the marginalized from examined objects into subjects capable of controlling their own destiny.

Táíwò describes a subsequent shift in which these frameworks have become unmoored from their outsider status to be used by rich and powerful people, including people of color, to maintain the status quo. He adds that “recent trends in identity politics seem to be supercharging, rather than restraining, élite capture.” He cites examples of Black élites using radical slogans or other kinds of social-movement invocations to further the status quo while appearing to be aligned with the movement and Black public opinion. There are also more complex examples of activists using undemocratic forms of organizing that prioritize the insights and acumen of paid staff and organizers over the working-class public. In some dramatic examples, ostensibly grassroots organizations have transformed themselves into foundations to dispense money and advice to grassroots organizers, as was the case with the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. Táíwò speaks directly to the dynamic that can emerge in these situations: “In the absence of the right kinds of checks or constraints, the subgroup of people with power over and access to the resources used to describe, define, and create political realities . . . will capture the group’s values, forcing people to coordinate on a narrower social project that disproportionately represents elite interests.” This was Audre Lorde’s pointed insight when she remarked that the “master’s tools” cannot dismantle the master’s house; the oppressed cannot use the same methods as the oppressor and still hope for a just outcome.

Though élite capture is a general phenomenon, there is something particularly jarring about its effects on Black politics, especially in the United States. Given the history of racial subjugation of Black people and the prevalence of state-sponsored white supremacy well into the twentieth century, a collective experience attributed to, by Táíwò and others, “racial capitalism,” Americans tend to see racial categories as stable, if not static. This is also true among African Americans, even though within Black communities there is much more awareness of the tensions of social class that pull at the threads assumed in the universalizing trait of blackness. And, because racism remains powerful across categories of class, there is an assumption that a single Black community is united around an ongoing struggle for Black freedom.

Consider the experiences of LaToya Cantrell, the first Black woman to be the mayor of New Orleans. During the protests of 2020, Cantrell was a target of labor activists, who were angry about the lack of sick leave and other provisions for workers in the tourism industry, and who rallied outside her home, where she was working during the height of the pandemic. In an open letter, Cantrell invoked her identity to rebuke the protesters. She wrote:

"This moment must redress those who have been marginalized by our tourism economy, by failed policies, and by an economic collapse that has hit the least of us the hardest. It cannot be about misdirected anger. It cannot be about empty gestures. And it cannot be about storming angrily into a residential neighborhood leaving my daughter feeling terrorized, a 12 year-old black girl, whose mother rose from the epicenter of the crack cocaine epidemic, whose family did not come from a place of privilege. . . . My father was a victim of the crack epidemic. My stepfather was another casualty of the same scourge—which ran unchecked by those in power, while it decimated the black community. My brother was system-involved and turned his life around. My stepbrother was system-involved and taken from us by violence at 18. This is not a story about privilege and power. I can stand up and say Black Lives Matter because I’ve personally had to fight to make that true every day of my life."

Cantrell’s personal story is a moving one but also one that was dispatched to deflect legitimate protest: she is the mayor; she holds a position of power and authority in local government. This tactic is powerful not because the people it’s directed at don’t understand that élites can be manipulative and evoke personal stories to conjure empathy, but because the persistence of racism makes the stories resonate personally. And, when public officials are subjected to racist attacks, as they often are—just think about the Obamas—then the feelings of familiarity and solidarity are intensified in ways that resemble what political scientist Michael Dawson has described as “linked fate” or the idea that the social, economic, and political fortunes of African Americans are tied together because of shared identity and history.

These appeals to identity politics are much more impactful than the promises of corporate executives to spend money to make Black lives matter. Nevertheless, as Táíwò writes, “treating such elites’ interests as necessarily or even presumptively aligned with the broader group’s interests involves a political naivete we cannot afford.” This confusion then “functions as a form of racial Reaganomics: a strategy reliant on fantasies about the exchange rate between the attention economy and the material economy.” Táíwò adds that we need to “fix the social structure itself—the rooms we interact in, and the house they make up. Deference, as a strategy, bears at best a tenuous relationship to this goal.”

Last spring, nearly two years after her confrontation with Trump, Bowser proposed a new spending budget for Washington, D.C., that spoke as loudly as the paint used to decorate B.L.M. Plaza. In a press conference celebrating a surplus created in part by the federal government’s pandemic stimulus, Bowser announced, “We’ve been able to invest in something we’ve been wanting to invest in a long time—the sports complex. We’ve been able to invest in a new jail.” Bowser was promising to spend more than two hundred and fifty million dollars to eventually replace part of the existing jail. She was also proposing thirty million dollars to hire and retain new police officers, with the goal of bringing the force to a total of four thousand members; another nearly ten million dollars would add one hundred and seventy new speed cameras across the municipality.

These politics are not only present in big-city encounters between elected officials but also within political movements and coalitions. Táíwò describes this as the tendency to “pass the mic” to supposedly the “most impacted” in a given room or meeting. As he explains, “At face value, a commitment to these ideas should help us resist and contain elite capture. They should provide a basis for respecting knowledge that the institutions of the world otherwise want to discredit.” But, for Táíwò, the focus on deference or passing the mike can be counterproductive, in that it “locates attentional injustice in the selection of spokespeople and book lists taken to represent the marginalized.” He’s not suggesting we return to political meetings dominated by conversations between white men. As he clarifies, “We all deserve these attentional goods, which are often denied, even to the ‘elites’ of marginalized and stigmatized groups.” But he uses his own experiences as an example of the problem in the approach. More than a few times, Táíwò has had the mike passed to him because he is Black and a first-generation Nigerian American in the United States, though to center him as more authentically aware of social injustice ignores Táíwò’s class privilege, as an American kid who went to good schools, with Advanced Placement and honors classes, compared with the fate of tens of millions of Nigerians and many others who grew up in the U.S. He concedes that it may be better to hear from him than to hear from a white person of a similar class background, but he nevertheless maintains that “these are the last facts we should want to hold fixed. And if our aim is simply to do better than the epistemic norms that we’ve inherited from a history of explicit global apartheid, that is an awfully low bar to set.

To that end, Táíwò is interested in constructive, as opposed to deference, politics. “A constructive political culture would focus on outcome over process,” he writes—“the pursuit of specific goals or end results rather than avoiding complicity in injustice or promoting purely moral or aesthetic principles.” Táíwò does not get into the details of how activist groups might go about building campaigns, but he does see the politics of deference within these groups as undermining their potential. As he writes, “To opt for deference, rather than interdependence, may soothe short-term psychological wounds. But it does so at a steep cost: it may undermine the goals that motivated the project—and it entrenches a politics that does not serve those fighting for freedom over privilege, for collective liberation over mere parochial advantage.” He says, of traumatic experience, “It is not what gives me a special right to speak, to evaluate, or to decide for a group. It is a concrete, experiential manifestation of the vulnerability that connects me to most of the people on this earth. It comes between me and other people not as a wall, but as a bridge.”

With this definition of trauma, Táíwò invokes the feminist classic “This Bridge Called My Back,” and the political debates over social change in which the concept of identity politics emerged. In an interview, Barbara Smith, of the Combahee River Collective, once talked about the importance of the idea of a bridge as a way to overcome difference, saying that the notion of, “ ‘If I don’t have a particular identity, I’m not allowed to work on a particular issue’—that sounds to me like an excuse. That sounds to me like O.K., so that’s what somebody decides if they’re not really willing to go there, and go through the struggle of crossing boundaries and working across differences.”

What Táíwò and the Combahee River Collective, of which Audre Lorde was also a member, were arguing is not to paper over our differences for the sake of building inclusive movements. Rather, they demonstrate that identity politics is an important entry point into a world deeply defined by racism and gender inequality and hatred, but it alone is not enough. We must find the ties that bind us together, to see how our oppressions are linked, to build bridges to each other’s struggles and find ways to unite. This is the opposite of élite capture; it is a remaking of the world. As Táíwò, echoing Marx, reminds us, the point, after all, is to change it.
Fuckin A Oussie! A Marx reference, you should be all over this shit!

Those of you who go all the way back to KUSports.com might member that we once did a group reading/discussion of “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich” by Solzhenitsyn. This was a joint proposal by myself and psych at the time to the contributors on the politics board. It didn’t get too far but it was an attempt at discussing/finding common ground. The ideas of diversity and equity and inclusion will never die and so likely will struggles to achieve the same. I am gonna buy the book “Elite Capture – How the powerful took over identity politics (and everything else) ”and read it. It is not said to be a reference book on how to solve the problem, it is supposedly a review of where we are and how movements have been coopted by “elite” forces and made to be performative rather than reach goals. It is up to us as people to figure out how to raise everyone up and create a better society. And with that I invite anyone else who is interested, to read the book and I will start a thread at some point to discuss. Who knows, this the sort of shit DC might venture back here to discuss, if we promise to pimp his book next and discuss of course.

In that vein of thinking I will hereby renounce my use of the term “rube” and no longer weaponize it’s use it on here, as a peace offering to those who think otherwise than me. I believe and “acknowledge” it to have been counterproductive.
One Day in the Life and Man's Search for Meaning remain two of my favorite books of all time. I've read them both over and over again. To quote Frankl in the latter: "When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves."

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:10 pm
by JKLivin
Re: DEI, I have no problem with challenging people and organizations to be aware of their hiring practices and to recruit and retain a workforce more representative of the population. Where I have gotten really annoyed is the hoops and labyrinths that have grown out of that simple idea.

To wit: our accrediting body requires us to prove that we are making a concerted effort "to recruit and retain a diverse faculty and student body, yet the accreditors dinged us because they chose to focus on the fact that I, as a White male, am the Department Chair rather than the fact that I am the only White male, and that everyone else on the faculty is either a) female b) a person of color or c) both a and b.

Now, I have to spend time sending letters to the Chairs of all of the doctoral programs in our region asking them to provide me with the names and contacts of all of their graduates of color so I can keep a file for reference if/when we hire next.

No mention of whether or not these are the best candidates available (which should be the primary focus), just their skin color, sexual orientation, or gender identity. Silly semantic games.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:50 pm
by DCHawk1
I don't have time to play at the moment, but I'll come back when I do.

In the meantime, there is a great deal of confusion on this board about what is going on with corporate DEI, etc.

Two quick notes:

1. The Nasdaq ruling is mostly about the SEC and the argument (now confirmed) that it overstepped its mandate by approving Nasdaq's diversity requirements. Congress didn't give the SEC that power, in other words, although it can change that, if it wants to.

2. Most of the corporate retreats from DEI are about one thing: the Human Rights Campaign, which has been an enormous and enormously volatile thorn in the side of major corporations for years. If you look at the statements the companies are releasing, they all say, near the top, that they will no longer play nicely with the HRC or participate in its Corporate Equality Index. This is a HUGE load off corporate executives' shoulders and makes their lives much easier. That they can blame it on pressure from anti-DEI activists is just the cherry on the top for them.

TTFN!

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:02 pm
by japhy
I ordered the book. It should arrive before I fly out to SF in a week to hang out with my daughter. That will give me several hours to digest it without interruptions. And some time to hang out in a left wing enclave.

My daughter and I have talked for years about hanging out and drinking a beer at the Toronado Pub on Haight Street. I love the place and she has grown fond of it as well. And it turns out that Defix used to hang out there years ago as well, a point of commonality amongst us. One of his good friends was a bartender there a decade ago. On my first visit to Toronado I was coming back from a meeting with the City Codes Admin folks discussing our part of a big project out there. Our approach was outside of the bounds of the IBC, so we had a long meeting discussing the engineering theory behind our approach and how it would be reviewed. I showed up at Toronado in a suit and tie. I tried to get the bartender's attention multiple times and he looked at me in disdain and passed me by. Finally he stopped and told me, "lose the jacket and the tie and I'll get you a beer." I laughed and did as instructed, I wanted a draft of Pliny the Elder and this was supposed to be the place. Years later, recounting this story to Defix he laughed, "that was definitely my friend Xxxx." Defix got out his cell phone and called the dude right then and there. His friend said, "oh yeah I remember that." Sadly he is retired from the bartending business so we won't see him on this trip, and happily I won't be wearing a tie.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:30 pm
by zsn
In the 27+ years I’ve lived in the Bay Area I’ve come to realize that the only people here who wear a tie are those who are up to no good. Politicians, used car salespeople and such assorted riffraff. At least some of the politicians have recognized and corrected this shortcoming.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:36 am
by JKLivin
Timely reboot:

https://bongino.com/comedian-adam-carol ... 8mmiJl_Nqw

“Comedian Adam Carolla’s story about the time he applied to be a firefighter in Los Angeles when he was 19-years-old is going viral in wake of the wildfires ravaging the state.

While DEI is generally used to describe a sort of cartoonish hyperprogressivism that has been amplified in recent decades, diversity quotas are nothing new, and Carolla’s story from decades ago still rings true today.

Carolla told the story to congress in 2017 ago to poke fun at the concept of “white privilege.”

“I graduated North Hollywood High with a 1.7 GPA and could not find a job. I walked to a fire station. I was 19 and living in the garage of my family home and my mom was on welfare and food stamps. I said, ‘Can I get a job as a fireman?’ and they said, ‘No, because you’re not black, Hispanic or a woman and we’ll see you in about seven years.,” Carolla explained.

But as promised, seven years later, he ended up getting the call, and decided he’d take the exam even though he didn’t want to be a firefighter anymore.

Carolla explained that when he arrived; “I had a young woman of color standing behind me in line, and I said to her, ‘Just out of curiosity, when did you sign up to become a fire man?’ … she said, ‘Wednesday.’”

“That is an example of my white privilege.”

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:47 am
by KUTradition
cool story, liar

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:10 am
by zsn
I don’t know if I want someone with a 1.9 GPA from high school doing anything around my house, let alone fighting fires! I’m sure he wasn’t taking Advanced Calculus or AP Chemistry to account for the low GPA.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:08 am
by RainbowsandUnicorns
zsn wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:10 am I don’t know if I want someone with a 1.9 GPA from high school doing anything around my house, let alone fighting fires! I’m sure he wasn’t taking Advanced Calculus or AP Chemistry to account for the low GPA.
I don't know if you are aware that some/many of the people who fight "wildfires" in California are prisoners - some of who probably didn't graduate from High School.
I would gladly have a convicted felon with a fire hose - over nobody - save my house if that's what it would take. So, I absolutely would want someone with a 1.9 High School GPA fighting fires - if they are/were competent to do as such.

I don't feel how much money and what someone does for a living is/are the ultimate factors to judge how successful someone is in life but I am extremely confident Adam Carolla has made more money and has achieved more career success than 75%+ of the people on this site. He of the 1.9 or 1.7 High School GPA compared to your superior High School GPA.

I don't know for a fact know how much truth there is (or isn't) in Carolla's story but he told it while testifying before Congress. Do I feel some of it was embellished? Perhaps/probably. Do I feel the base of it is/was mostly legitimate? Absolutely.

Many years ago someone applied for, and was interviewed for, a position in the company that I was working for. I was one of the people who interviewed the woman and I felt she was a perfect fit. Other people interviewed her as well.
I hadn't heard anything so about a week later I asked if we hired her. The response I was given was - "She is/was too qualified". I asked what exactly that meant. I was not given an answer other than "we decided to go another route". WTF does that really mean? So we hired a woman for the position who was let go about a month later because she "wasn't getting it". Then they hired another person, basically the same thing but she lasted a little longer. I asked again, why didn't we hire the person who was "too qualified" and what exactly did that mean? Stupid me couldn't put 2 and 2 together. Then I did. Can anyone who read this figure it out? I'll give you a hint. You're probably wrong with your first assumption.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:24 am
by zsn
Fair enough, Gutter. There was some level of snark and sarcasm in my post - unfortunately, that font wasn’t working properly! I fully appreciate that “success” is independent of schooling (never equate schooling with education!!).

Having said that, one kernel of not-snark is that it takes extraordinary skill to get a 1.9 GPA in today’s world in high school!! You basically write your name on a test and turn it in and you get a 2.0!!!!

Being a firefighter is hard. It’s a lot of dedication and commitment. I had the opportunity to train and train with firefighters in hazardous materials response, as a chemist. It requires understanding of complex situations and respond quickly.

I don’t disagree with much of anything in your post.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:57 am
by RainbowsandUnicorns
zsn wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:24 am Fair enough, Gutter. There was some level of snark and sarcasm in my post - unfortunately, that font wasn’t working properly! I fully appreciate that “success” is independent of schooling (never equate schooling with education!!).

Having said that, one kernel of not-snark is that it takes extraordinary skill to get a 1.9 GPA in today’s world in high school!! You basically write your name on a test and turn it in and you get a 2.0!!!!

Being a firefighter is hard. It’s a lot of dedication and commitment. I had the opportunity to train and train with firefighters in hazardous materials response, as a chemist. It requires understanding of complex situations and respond quickly.

I don’t disagree with much of anything in your post.
Thank you for your respectful response to the post I took way too much time to post! ;)

Yes, you and I are in complete agreement that "it takes extraordinary skill to get a 1.9 GPA in today’s world in high school!!"
I could go on and on about that. It's shameful that some kids don't do jack shit, and are way below their grade level, and yet they can and do get higher than a 1.9 GPA.

I'm the asshole who has wondered how the heck some of the kids who are Freshman athletes in college earned a LEGITIMATE "core course GPA of 2.3 or higher" in High School.
I say that being that I went to a tough suburban High School with high academic standards. A 2.3 at New Trier is a hell of a lot different than a 2.3 at Manley in the city of Chicago.
If I am not mistaken, I believe a decent SAT and/or ACT score is/are no longer required to be ruled eligible to be a D1 athlete. If true, gee, I wonder why. :?

As far as fire fighting, of course many facets are extremely difficult and complex, and I know most (if not all?) fire fighters are highly trained - and I believe many fire fighters are truly intelligent people.
My guess is the "incarcerated" who help fight the wild fires in California are given roles and responsibilities that aren't necessarily easy, but don't require the typical training that most fire fighters go through. Yet, from what little I do know, they are actually significantly "trained" in some regards. I may not forgive them for the crimes they committed but I absolutely give them credit for trying to help others and do good things for society by helping fight fires.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:57 am
by jfish26


So, in other words, this guy wants the federal government to, by the force of law, compel institutions (private and, I would assume, public) to protect and advantage specific categories of people.

Would this guy identify, then, as…pro Affirmative Action, anti DEI?

I am so confused, this is like “Antifa” all over again!

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:12 am
by Shirley
jfish26 wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:57 am

So, in other words, this guy wants the federal government to, by the force of law, compel institutions (private and, I would assume, public) to protect and advantage specific categories of people.

Would this guy identify, then, as…pro Affirmative Action, anti DEI?

I am so confused, this is like “Antifa” all over again!
It doesn't have to be true, the cult only needs to think it's "true".

And considering it tickles not only their need to blame someone else, but also their bigotry and need to feel aggrieved, the confirmation bias will do the majority of the work in getting them there.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:34 am
by jfish26
I know a lawyer who is an equity partner in a major international law firm. This lawyer has probably made, on a consistent basis, $1-2mm+/year for the last ten years at least.

And was making excellent money prior to then as a junior partner and associate, as well, going back to graduating from law school in the mid 90s.

This lawyer graduated from a lowly-ranked law school.

This lawyer, to this day, harbors (and will tell you all about!) an animating bitterness over his opinion (which may be accurate, who knows) that he did not get into the law school of his choice - in like 1992! - on the basis of being a white male.

People. Are. So. Broken.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:41 am
by MICHHAWK
i don't think the moral of your story is what you think it is.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:48 am
by twocoach
White Americans complaining about being discriminated against has to be one of the funnier whines of all time.

And I say that despite my own father's civil engineering business getting screwed out of a contract in the 80s because they wanted it to go to a "black engineering firm" that was nothing more than a shitty white engineer who hired a black man to be his "partner" to help him land such contracts.

Re: DEI policies defeated

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2025 11:53 am
by KUTradition
my pops got passed over for a gig in much the same way as has been described (better in hindsight since it resulted in us moving to Lawrence vs. Alaska), but i recall only ever hearing him speak of it once…even then it wasn’t so much bitterness or anger for getting passed over, but more so c’est la vie